Well, Llywydd, I agree that I would rather have people working directly as employees of the NHS, or in bank arrangements under the control of the NHS, than people working in agency arrangements. In the end, these are individuals making decisions in their own lives. You cannot direct people as to how they would themselves choose to organise their own employment arrangements.

The way the Welsh Government has attempted to make a difference is both in changing the rules—we have a new rules system that makes it more attractive for people to take part in bank arrangements and less attractive for people to be in agencies—and by increasing the number of staff available. There's been a 44 per cent growth in nursing, midwifery and health visitors here in Wales over the period of devolution; we need to grow that further. For each of the last seven years, we have increased the number of nurses and midwives in training here in Wales. When we succeed in getting those people into the workplace, then we will be in a position where we can make working arrangements in the NHS effective so that the attractions of moving to become an agency employee will be lessened and we'll be able to lessen our reliance on those arrangements in return.