5. Statement by the Deputy Minister for Arts and Sport, and Chief Whip: World Heritage in Northwest Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:21 pm on 4 October 2022.

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Photo of Heledd Fychan Heledd Fychan Plaid Cymru 4:21, 4 October 2022

If I may start with the last point, I agree with the Deputy Minister—I think it's a fallacy to keep saying that the tourism tax will put people off coming to Wales. Actually, the real threat to tourism in north Wales and Wales as a whole is rising energy costs impacting businesses and the cost-of-living crisis meaning that people won't be able to go on holiday. Because, as we know, holidays within Wales are really important, and we're seeing the hardship on families. Also, we know that local authorities will be impacted. There is an opportunity to use this tax to invest in vital infrastructure so that we can support tourism. I just wanted to put my point on record there.

As you've mentioned, Minister, it is really important that we take stock, because of the 15 years of preparation for that successful bid a year ago, and so much to celebrate. Because when you consider the history, slate has been quarried in the area for over 1,800 years, and it's during the industrial revolution that demand surged and slate from Gwynedd was widely used and transported across the world. It's still highly regarded to this day. It's still a live industry and, different from what we see in Big Pit and so on, where it's an industry of the past, obviously, this is an industry that still sustains the local economy. So, it is important that we look at it in that context. Obviously, that provides challenges to the local authority in particular, in terms of how you support an industry whilst maintaining that industrial landscape.

I noticed that Tom Giffard also mentioned that the National Slate Museum is celebrating 50 years this year. I was pleased to see, yesterday on Twitter, that they’ve achieved over 4 million visitors during that time. It could be so much more than that, but the infrastructure is currently not in place. This also relates to the point around the castles in north Wales. When you look at visitors to Caernarfon at the moment, to Caernarfon castle in particular, many come by bus. They're doing a tour of the UK, and perhaps will only come to north Wales on a day-long tour. So, one of the things I would like to ask is: how are you investing so that we have the infrastructure there locally to ensure that more visitors stay and spend money in the area, and also have an opportunity to immerse themselves in the Welsh language and culture—that it's not just something that they get through visiting the castle or whatever other attraction, that they actually get that opportunity to immerse themselves in a way that also supports local businesses?

I'd also like to ask you specifically if you could clarify what you mean by 'the museum of north Wales'. It seems to me, from the wording of your statement, that this is something distinct from the redevelopment of the National Slate Museum. There is some confusion amongst local stakeholders and also the museum sector as a whole in terms of what you mean by 'the museum of north Wales'. Is this something that is being developed as Welsh Government's vision for the site, or something for Amgueddfa Cymru? Because, after all, the story of slate is a national story, so I'm keen that we are able to see the redevelopment of the National Slate Museum in terms of that national context. I do express concern about that use of 'museum of north Wales' rather than having that national story. In the same vein, I wonder if you could outline what financial support is being provided to Amgueddfa Cymru to realise the ambitions of that redevelopment.

There are so many things that we must welcome in terms of that world heritage status, but obviously the challenge will be ensuring that the funding is in place for the local authority and local partners, in light of the cost-of-living crisis. Therefore, can I ask what is that strategic vision and plan to ensure that we take every advantage possible? I see that there is some development, but is this going to be an ongoing conversation with support and strategy from the Welsh Government?