Well, Llywydd, the leader of Plaid Cymru drew attention to the resolution passed at the Labour Party conference. That is the policy of my party, and it is a policy this Government dearly wish that we were in a position to implement. He will know that every 1 per cent rise in the pay bill across the public service in Wales costs another £100 million. Every 1 per cent costs £100 million. If he can tell me where that money is to be found, then I'm happy to enter into dialogue with him. If all he has to offer me are pious aspirations and accusations that somehow other people are not as holy as he is, then I'm afraid that debate is hardly likely to prosper.