As Delyth Jewell has already said, we now know that there are plastics in breast milk in about 70 per cent of the cases. So, this is obviously just the latest iteration of the problems we've created for ourselves, because it will also be in powdered milk, it'll be in cow's milk, it'll be in our bread because of the grain that's grown on land that has got plastic on it, and it will be in our meat and fish, for sure. So, we certainly need to act now to stop killing ourselves in this way. 

I appreciate the soft approach that has been taken by the Government on plastic straws, because we took some interesting evidence from somebody representing the disabled community, who said that plastic straws were the most suitable way of drinking for certain people with certain disabilities. There's clearly not a problem of people in hospitals being offered plastic straws because, obviously, incinerated waste all goes in one way. There's obviously a much more complex problem, therefore, in the community when somebody goes into a cafe and says, 'My children want plastic straws.' We're going to need some pretty clear regulation around ensuring that the cafe owner or the waiter will be able to be clear as to when it's appropriate to have plastic straws, because obviously there are paper straws, there are reusable metal and wood straws. So, there are plenty of alternatives for most people, but I recognise that this is a softly, softly approach to engage with people to develop the alternatives, without disadvantaging disabled people.

One of the areas where we need some clarity is on oxo-degradables, because they are, as the explanatory memorandum makes really clear, just as big a menace as anything else. But, there is no actual definition of oxo-biodegradables, so this really is something that needs some collaboration between the Welsh Government, Westminster and the other devolved administrations, because it makes sense to have really clear labelling on this. At the moment, lots of people are green-washing their product by saying, 'This is biodegradable.' Yes, it might be in 200 years' time, but that's not really what we're talking about, is it?

So, obviously, I too would like to see rapid action on plastic in wet wipes and on sanitary products, because I'm afraid to say that people continue to, and will continue to, put wet wipes and sanitary products down the toilet because of their confused relationship with their bodies and not wanting to dispose of them elsewhere. There's a lot of evidence on that. So, we really do need to work on that, because absolutely, as has been said by Janet Finch-Saunders, they do block the sewers and create the fatbergs, so it costs us a hell of a lot of money to tidy it up.

Keep Wales Tidy highlighted that there were two plastics that were on the rise. One was these vaping canisters; we need to take action against that. And, secondly, fast food litter, which they said was as a result of the cost-of-living crisis. So, there really is a sobering relationship between what people think is the most economical way of feeding themselves or their family rather than actually just cooking a basic meal. But, that's not for this legislation, but something for dealing with elsewhere. Nevertheless, I think that there's a really important way in which we're going to need to deal with fast food outlets, and see what we can do to get them to incentivise people to bring in their own containers when they come to pick up a curry, rather than using other types of products. That obviously links this legislation in with the extended producer responsibilities, and our overarching commitment, which has to be to reduce, reuse and recycle.

So, a good work in progress. We need to get on with it now, and we need to quite quickly change the culture around just chucking things away and thinking that that's the end of it, it's gone—it hasn't.