6. Debate on the Health and Social Care Committee Report: Hospital discharge and its impact on patient flow through hospitals

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:48 pm on 12 October 2022.

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Photo of Baroness Mair Eluned Morgan Baroness Mair Eluned Morgan Labour 4:48, 12 October 2022

Altaf, you'll understand that the real challenge is not actually infrastructure, it's staffing. So, that's the issue, and we know that the staffing issue is something that is challenging everywhere, but particularly social care. So, we want people to go home, we want that support in the community, and we're having difficulty with recruitment. Part of that difficulty in recruitment, I think we all accept, is that carers need to be paid more.

Gareth, I'm going to say this gently today, but I'm going to warn you that this noise is going to increase in volume every time you tell us to spend some money, because, actually, we would love to pay more to carers. But, actually, your Government has just made this a hell of a lot more difficult—a hell of a lot more difficult. That is going to be really problematic for us, and that's on top—