Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:49 pm on 12 October 2022.
Thank you for that. It's not just carers I was talking about, it's social care staff pay, which are completely different things. And I do understand the complexities in social care compared to healthcare, because 99.9 per cent of healthcare services fall within the NHS, whereas in social care, it's fragmented and it's public sector, local authority and private sector. And I do understand those challenges, but I think if we can really work to achieve some parity of esteem between health and social care staff pay, I think we can really be a shining example to the rest of Europe and, indeed, the world.