5. Statement by the Minister for Economy: Qatar World Cup Engagement

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:11 pm on 15 November 2022.

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Photo of Vaughan Gething Vaughan Gething Labour 4:11, 15 November 2022

When it comes to the assurances that we've been given, we've had the same message, actually, about public displays of affection between any couple, and when I visited Qatar previously, they were very clear that public displays of affection don't take place between men and women. That isn't their expectation. The challenge, though, is that the assurances that we've sought and have been given about the safety of our fans, and the very clear messaging from the people running the tournament, is that everyone is welcome. That's why I was appalled—. Well, regardless of that, I was appalled anyway by the comments of the football ambassador. It's why I condemned them immediately upon hearing them. It's why I've written to the UK's Qatari ambassador, because again, when the First Minister met him, he was given assurances that everyone is welcome. I haven't received a response. It's not unusual not to receive a response within a week. But part of the point is setting out very clearly our own expectations and the fact that we expect our fans to be able to be their true authentic selves, but understanding that some people will choose not to go there. And it's reasonable for people to say that they won't go there.

We're not in a position where we're saying that the Welsh Government's view is the only correct and acceptable view; different people will make different choices, and we need to respect their right to do so. When it comes to how people are treated, we want to see the assurances met and lived up to. It's why we've engaged with not just UK police forces but with the British embassy team in Qatar, both in my earlier visit and since then as well, and it's why the UK embassy is expecting to have more resources available to it; with English and Welsh fans appearing in the country and the wider region, they can expect to have more requests for consular assistance than they would normally expect at this time of year. So, it's a significant undertaking, and we'll carry on the engagement that we do have, and it's one of our key objectives to make sure that our fans are safe.

When it comes to future interest in the region, part of the reason we're engaging now is because we want to be ourselves, we want people to see Wales as it is today, and it's part of what we think we can do to help to change other parts of the world. We will also, though, want to maintain an interest in the future of the country and the wider region. And on workers' rights, Qatar has made more progress than other countries in the region. They've got an office of the International Labour Organization in Qatar; other countries in the region don't have that. When the First Minister met the international Trades Union Congress with the TUC—it was a meeting on our initiative and we asked for the meeting—they gave us an update on the position. They have made changes to employment law. Some of the cultural changes in how people treat workers will take more time, as it does in this country when we change employment rights. It often takes people time to catch up. But they say, the international TUC say that they are seeing progress in Qatar that they want to be recognised, but they want it to be built on. No-one, I think, is suggesting that the position on workers' rights today is as we would wish it to be in that country or that region forever. So, it's about maintaining our interest and amplifying the voice of organised labour within that country in any event. And again, that is part of what we will do.

When it comes, of course, to what we do ourselves, the FAW have been very clear: they want us to be on the journey with them. They want us to attend to support them in the country in the fixtures, and it was a real pleasure to be able to attend the final public training session of the squad today and be part of the send-off. But we also need to recognise that, as a distinct nation within the UK, it isn't just about whether Welsh Ministers are there, it is the reality that, if we are not there, there will be Government representation; it will simply be that the UK Government will be there in the region on our behalf and they would be taking all of the Government-directed engagements and interviews instead of the Welsh Government. I don't think that's the right balance; I think we should be there. We should be proud of the team and supporting them and engaging in the way that we said we would do. 

I'm proud of the fact that not only our football association but the other UEFA FAs, the 10 of them, responded to the FIFA letter, which I thought was poorly judged and provocative, and it got the response it deserved from UEFA nations. All of them are going to wear the 'One Love' armband, because it's a choice not for their associations but of the teams. And again that speaks to values that nations have been raising before the tournament and will carry on doing so during it. Our job is to give the players a platform to succeed, for them to raise issues as they have done already, and for the Government to support them and make clear that, actually, it's not their job to be politicians in all of this and there is a role for us in the Government. And look, I know the last time we had this conversation, on 27 September, you said you wished you could go on the plane with us to Qatar. There will be a conversation about what we all want to be able to do in supporting the team and how we do that, whether we're in Qatar or not, and wanting to see a legacy on the pitch and off it, in Wales, around the world and, of course, in the region.