Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:02 pm on 16 November 2022.
I don't deny anything; I don't need to. It's a failure I'm describing. It's not about expenditure; it's about delivering on the objectives of policy, and that is where the failure lies. And you don't need to defend everything the UK does. Sometimes, it fails, and this is an example of failure, and it isn't just Government failure, as I've said to you—it's market failure, and a failure of regulation. And the power of your argument is greater when you recognise that, and don't simply try to defend everything, no matter how dreadful it actually is. I recognise the work that this Minister is doing, and I recognise the work that his predecessors have done, but, fundamentally, the Conservatives went into the last election telling the Welsh Government they shouldn't spend money or resources on anything that isn't devolved. Now you seem to be arguing that they should be delivering on policies that aren't devolved, which is some political acrobatics that are beyond me. I give way to Mark Isherwood.