4. Legislative Consent Motion on the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:15 pm on 22 November 2022.

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Photo of Mick Antoniw Mick Antoniw Labour 3:15, 22 November 2022

Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. Thank you to all the Members who've raised points in this debate. I know there clearly is a stark difference and disagreement over this. I think what we all do recognise, though, nevertheless, is the fundamental importance of this issue to peace in Northern Ireland, and also to economic and trade well-being.

If I could just address a couple of the points that have been raised. The point has been made in respect of the 15-week period between the Bill's introduction and the laying of the legislative consent memorandum. I think it's probably not completely fair—I think the Minister for Economy did, in his letter to the Llywydd on 27 June, explain that laying the LCM would be delayed because of the absence of meaningful engagement. Clearly, there are very complex issues that had to be given careful consideration—and the summer term, the state funeral and so on. But I do recognise, as always, the importance of trying to ensure that the Senedd has the period of time that is necessary for scrutiny, and I don't take that away. It's something that's always very much in mind. Obviously, there were difficult circumstances.

In terms of the point Darren raised, my concern is that I don't think you can solve what is a political problem by means of legislation. I think attempting to do so not only will aggravate tensions, but create new and additional tensions, and it doesn't resolve the matter.

Probably the best summary I can give is just to give two quotes that I think summarise very succinctly the issues and reflect the Welsh Government's position. The first one is from Baroness Ros Altmann, who is a Conservative former pensions Minister who participated in the Committee Stage debate on 25 October. She said:

'The problems with this Bill are far deeper, more fundamental, and indeed more important, than Brexit. This is about right and wrong, about protecting parliamentary democracy and about the values that our country believes in and holds dear—the importance of keeping our word, trustworthiness, honesty, integrity. This Bill drives a coach and horses through these things: it seeks to tear up an international agreement signed recently, supposedly in good faith.'

And then the House of Lords Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee's seventh report on 7 July:

'The Bill represents as stark a transfer of power from Parliament to the Executive as we have seen throughout the Brexit process. The Bill is unprecedented in its cavalier treatment of Parliament, the EU and the Government’s international obligations.... We are...at a loss to understand why the Government have introduced a Bill which has failed in so many ways to accord with the principles of parliamentary democracy'.

I read through the Bill again today, and there's a phrase in there,

'A Minister of the Crown may, by regulations, make any provision which the Minister considers appropriate'.

That appears in 13 sections of the Bill—