8. Debate on the Local Government and Housing Committee Report: The provision of sites for Gypsy, Roma and Travellers

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:59 pm on 23 November 2022.

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Photo of Mabon ap Gwynfor Mabon ap Gwynfor Plaid Cymru 4:59, 23 November 2022

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I want to echo the thanks that the Chair John Griffiths expressed earlier. Certainly, everyone contributed and enriched the discussion that we had while undertaking this inquiry, but thanks in the main to those witnesses and those who welcomed us into their homes to discuss these issues, and who opened their hearts to us in the process. But the research undertaken as part of preparing this report was an eye-opener, I have to confess.

Of course, one is painfully aware of the prejudices and racism that exist against our nomadic communities here in Wales, but I have to confess that I hadn't fully realised what became clear, and what appeared to me, at least, to be systemic racism in some of our local authorities, which flowed from the political body. I accept that that is serious statement, but the evidence that we heard demonstrates clearly that not only is there a lack of understanding of the needs of our nomadic communities, but that there is a deliberate lack of action and prejudice against them. It's clear that there is prejudice against ethnic groups on a large scale, and let's call it what it is, namely racism.

The good news is that it is perfectly clear to me that the Minister is personally committed to tackling this, and I'm sure that she is wholly sincere in her desire to see this issue being solved. But, the question remains: why, eight years since the legislation was passed, has this issue not already been solved? There are statutory expectations already in place that are meant to ensure that there are purpose-built residential and transit sites available to Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities in Wales. But, despite this, it is concerning to hear the Minister say that the 'Anti-racist Wales Action Plan' would tackle this issue. Is this not recognition of the Government's total failure to enforce its own legislation? We don't need to wait for new action plans—we must enforce legislation that already exists.

So, while I welcome the fact that the Government accepts every one of the recommendations that the committee has made, the truth is that, as things stand, I and people from Wales's nomadic communities have very little faith that the recommendations will be implemented. I'd like to hear from the Minister what the timetable is for delivering these improvements and recommendations and to ensure that legislation is implemented. What indicators will be used to measure delivery, and how will these indicators be monitored? How will progress be monitored?

What became clear was that our Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities are having decisions made for them and made to them more often than not. They themselves are not an active part of any decisions made, and they're not considered as key stakeholders, even in decisions on the future of their own lives. Therefore, I'd like the Minister to set out how the Government will ensure that these communities have a central role in decision making and a lead in drawing up plans for permanent and transit sites, so that their cultural and social needs are considered in full.

I remember the Minister giving the following answer in response to one of my questions in the scrutiny process: