9. Plaid Cymru Debate: Nurses' pay

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:00 pm on 23 November 2022.

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Photo of Jane Dodds Jane Dodds Liberal Democrat 6:00, 23 November 2022

It is a really serious situation that we face, and it's good that we're able to really debate this here in the Senedd. I do want to say that I know the Minister has had many, many things on her plate and it has been a very pressurised time, but, right now, to think that we might face a nurses' strike is really very challenging for us as a society here in Wales. To think that many of the lowest paid who care most directly and work so hard for the patients in their care might be considering going on strike—. Now, put yourself in the head of somebody who has devoted themselves to caring for vulnerable people in need, and think, 'The only way I can get better conditions, better pay, is actually to strike.' They have not made that decision lightly. 

I want to just focus on two areas, briefly. One of those has been covered to Luke Fletcher, in relation to section 25B. I would seek confirmation that there is no commitment at all to row back on this, because I am concerned, actually, that that might be happening. The RCN actually cite very clearly that section 25B retains nurses—that nurses working in wards where that is the case actually want to stay. So, it's imperative that we retain it and extend it. I'm bound to say, of course, that this Bill was brought in by Kirsty Williams and the Welsh Liberal Democrats. In fact, it's the only private Member's Bill in 23 years to actually go through the Senedd, showing, I think, the degree of support and commitment that there was across parties to making sure that we had those safe nurse staffing levels. I would welcome as well an update from you, Minister, on whether you plan to extend the Act, as you've heard from Luke Fletcher, in order to address the staffing retention crisis in many other areas of our NHS. 

The final issue I just wanted to touch on is, it seems, the Welsh Government's refusal to use the levers at its disposal to actually award better pay for nurses. Before I go on to that, I think it's important that we don't get lost in the language of 'pay rise', because in the dire economic circumstances we find ourselves in, not least that the retail price index measure of inflation is running at 11 per cent, any pay award that the Welsh Government offer nurses below that level is actually a real-terms pay cut, and that's why I implore you to do everything in your power to deliver on a real pay rise for our nurses, to address the recruitment and retention crisis in the Welsh NHS. That's why I'll be supporting the motion today. Because I do know that the Welsh Government has in its power the ability to pay our nurses, and that is that we can look at how we use the powers here to raise taxes. I've said this time and time again: we have the ability here in Wales now—we have the ability to put on a penny in the pound. Now, I'm sure that many people around Wales wouldn't begrudge that; in fact, I think they'd commit to that, for our valued NHS workers and our valued social care workers. Let's be bold, let's be brave, let's see a commitment to that part of our society that cares for our most vulnerable. Thank you. Diolch yn fawr iawn.