Questions Without Notice from the Party Leaders

Part of 1. Questions to the First Minister – in the Senedd at 1:59 pm on 6 December 2022.

Alert me about debates like this

Photo of Mark Drakeford Mark Drakeford Labour 1:59, 6 December 2022

(Translated)

Well, I don't agree with the final point that the leader of Plaid Cymru raised. I don't think that people in Wales will be willing to support the point that he made, and I think that the most important thing about the Welsh language is to maintain the support of people in Wales for everything that we're trying to do. We've succeeded in doing that. There is a strong feeling for the Welsh language in every part of Wales, and we want to use that goodwill that exists to continue to have more people learning Welsh and using Welsh, and so forth.

The things that underpin the things that we've seen in the census are complex, and I think it's worth finding some time to consider what underpins what we've seen. We are seeing growth in the Welsh language here in Cardiff, in Rhondda Cynon Taf, in the Vale of Glamorgan and in Merthyr Tydfil as well. We see growth in the use of the Welsh language among young adults as well. Where the decline has been is among the three to 15 cohort. Why has that happened? Well, there are fewer young people in the whole of Wales in that age cohort. So, that's one thing to consider.

The second thing is that we know that the census was conducted during the time of the pandemic. I remember time and again hearing people discussing the impact of the pandemic on young people in Welsh-medium schools when they were not attending school, and when they weren't hearing a word of Welsh when the schools were not open. So, there are a number of things underpinning these figures, and it's worth taking some time to consider what lies behind them.

That's particularly the case, Llywydd, when you consider that some other sources of data show other things. Why are the figures in the census falling when the figures in the Office for National Statistics annual review of the population are going up every year? I don't understand that myself yet. There's a lot of work to be done. I had the opportunity, Llywydd, to speak with Sir Ian Diamond, who chairs the ONS, about this before the census figures were published. Things are more complex, I think, than what the leader of Plaid Cymru has suggested this afternoon. We need to find time to undertake this work and to return to this to see what the best responses are to continue to do what we want to do—to find a way to achieve a million Welsh speakers by 2050.