Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:00 pm on 6 December 2022.
Yes, I obviously don't know at which point you lost me, and I'm not going to set a test to see who was paying attention, because I'd be disappointed with the result, I'm sure. [Laughter.]
So, I mentioned the point of transport poverty—I'm not sure if that was recorded—which is critical. The issue of women's safety, which Delyth Jewell mentioned, is a really important point too, and there is work going on on a collaborative project with Gender+ Bus Wales, to tackle harassment and violence against women and girls in public transport. But, the other thing I'd say about safety and perceptions of safety is there's safety in numbers. The more people we get using public transport, the safer it becomes and the safer it feels. So, this whole agenda is interconnected, and that's where the final point on behaviour change is so important, because it's not good enough just to provide the services, we have to nudge people who have fallen out of the habit of using buses to get back onto buses again.