4. Debate on a Statement: The Draft Budget 2023-24

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:30 pm on 13 December 2022.

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Photo of Janet Finch-Saunders Janet Finch-Saunders Conservative 4:30, 13 December 2022

Because I'm going to be talking about properties, I'll declare my own interest in terms of property ownership.

I think it's probably one of the most difficult budgets for us all that we, as Members here, have faced. I've not heard too much about the awful two years plus that we went through of the pandemic. When everybody's slating the UK Government, we cannot forget that I think it was about £8.5 billion that came into Wales. When people talk about austerity, when you think and consider the number of businesses that were supported by the UK Government with furlough schemes, and then who would have thought, just as we were coming out of that dark period—and, in some ways, the pandemic still affects members of our staff, and, in turn, affects our economy—but, who would have thought that then the war in Ukraine, a war that we thought we'd seen the end of after the second world war, that we wouldn't see war in Europe again? So, put this together with the fact of our energy crisis and the food price pressures and everything, and I don't know how anyone could ever have estimated that this would be an easy budget, either for the UK Government or indeed the Welsh Government, but we have to put this in perspective, and to just keeping knocking the UK Government doesn't really sort it, in my opinion.

We've got to also remember that this is taxpayers' money—hard-working taxpayers. This isn't Welsh Government money; it belongs to the taxpayers, and yet, in this time of crisis and this cost-of-living crisis and homelessness like nothing I've ever known before in Wales, we see the Wales state energy company, Ynni Cymru, and we talk about £814,000 on setting up a company and then another—[Interruption.]