Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:11 pm on 13 December 2022.
Before I start, I want to put on record that my group have no objection to the regulations, but we do have objections to the way that the Welsh Government has presented these to the Senedd today. Is it right that we as Senedd Members have to vote on poorly worded regulations that are, in fact, defective? The Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee, which I sit on, identified 34 technical and merits points. In addition, I'm led to believe that there are also 70 other issues with grammar that have been noted in these regulations. I've sat on that committee for a short time, but having this amount of errors in regulations is unprecedented.
My group are disappointed that the vote on this is even happening today, considering the large amounts of defective elements in these regulations, and it has given the committee a lack of time to scrutinise this legislation and regulations properly. A letter arrived in my inbox at 15:18 today. I don't think that that's enough time for me, as a member of that committee, to sit down to scrutinise it properly, while having to do other commitments here in this Chamber today.
My group also want to know, Minister, how we've ended up in this situation. If these regulations have been in train for a long time, why is the lateness of laying these regulations coming today, and why are we forcing the Senedd to vote on defective legislation? I don't think it's right. What I'd like to know is what process are you going to use if we pass this today to amend these regulations, what timescale you will be working to, and what procedure you'll be using to amend these regulations. My group today will be voting against these regulations, as I've said earlier, not because we disagree with the regs, but due to the Welsh Government using Senedd Members to pass defective legislation and regulations that we don't know the consequences of doing. And in my view, if we vote for these today, we could be putting this Parliament at risk.
Secondly, the Government is wasting Senedd time doing this, it's wasting Government time, and it's also going to be wasting committee time to go back to amend these regulations, which the Government should have got right in the first instance and not have to put this through today. As a Parliament, we have a duty to ensure that the best legislation and regulations are put through this Senedd, and putting this through today, I and my group believe sets a very dangerous precedent of putting poorly worded, defective legislation through, putting it on the statute book, which we don't believe is appropriate for a modern, effective Parliament. And I would just like to ask the Minister, in closing: have you had any discussions with your officials about whether there's any potential risk with us putting this through today, and about any reputational damage that this could cause for the Senedd? Diolch, Llywydd.