Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:49 pm on 24 January 2023.
Some fair questions there. The thing to confirm, though, is that we haven't changed our viewpoint on the census—that is what shows us the figures within the strategy. We've said that at the outset, and that hasn't changed, but you can't just look at this through one eye. You have two sources of data that are telling you very different things—and, by the way, it's not the Welsh Government leading on this; the ONS does both. That's why I've asked the national statistician to explain the difference between the two in terms of looking at policy interventions that are practical and ambitious, which is the solution, and I agree with the Member about that. We have to look at the context in its entirety; one piece of data isn’t sufficient. But, just to be clear, we're not disregarding what the census says, but the fact that it has happened in the time frame that it has, during COVID, is obviously something that you can’t just ignore. You can't just look at this with one eye. You have to look at the broader context. We will be looking at the trajectory again in the wake of what we’ve seen in the census.
In terms of the interventions that you mention, we have a choice, if you like—on one level a political choice, perhaps. There’s a range of things that we could have held back as a response to the census that we've been doing over the past year. I’ve talked about some of those things today—the education workforce plan, and free lessons for people and so forth. We could have held them back, but, at the end of the day, if these figures had shown a significant increase, we'd still need to do those things and press ahead with them. So, that’s the strategic decision to be taken. We need to increase the numbers even from the 900,000 that’s shown in the survey. So, that’s the choice that I made—to press ahead rather than to wait, and I’m sure that you agree that that’s the right to do, of course.
But there are things to be learned that emerge from the census. I've mentioned them already. We need to look seriously at the contribution of learning Welsh in the English-medium education system. I want to look at those regions where there has been a significant decline, such as Carmarthenshire, which, for the second time, for two censuses in a row, has shown a decline. That does cause us great concern. So, we need to look at a community level, or do more research at that level, to see exactly what’s happening. I intend to undertake a series of local meetings to look into the local factors that have been relevant to that as well.
But I mentioned in another context, in the committee, that we’re looking again at the grant scheme to see whether it does drive the objectives that we have. So, I’m not just going to say, ‘Well, we have one set of figures that show an increase, or progress’; we have to press ahead. We have some things that we’ve done over the last year, but there’s always more that we can do, and we do intend to do, over the years to come.