3. Statement by the Deputy Minister for Climate Change: The Roads Review and National Transport Delivery Plan

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 2:45 pm on 14 February 2023.

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Photo of Delyth Jewell Delyth Jewell Plaid Cymru 2:45, 14 February 2023

Diolch, Weinidog. I would have hoped that everyone in the Chamber would agree that addressing climate change is one of the greatest challenges of our time. The science is clear: if we don't take bold action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, we will have no future. So, the roads review and all of the difficult decisions it entails has to be seen in that context. The principle is one I welcome—how can we not? But, the policy is far from perfect, because we need to find ways of helping people to change their lives, but many of the areas where road building projects have been paused are already underserved by public transport links. I have concerns, Minister, about the effect that this will have on the lives of people who live in those areas. Many people in rural Wales rely on private vehicles to get around, just like many people in Valleys communities rely on buses. We, of course, have to change that over-reliance on cars, but it won't happen overnight. It's the transition period that I'm most concerned about, because many people will rely on roads to get to work, to access essential services, to visit friends and family, and a pause on new roads without, perhaps, more certain investment in public transport could mean longer journeys, increased travel costs and reduce access to important services. So, it's the social justice element of this that I'm concerned about. That's why I believe it's important that the Welsh Government needs to be clear about what other steps it will take to respond to air pollution that absolutely are essential.

I know that reducing emissions from transport is a critical part of the solution. It can't be the only solution, of course. We need to consider the needs of all communities, to work together to find ways to reduce emissions and improve air quality. So, in terms of the other steps that the Welsh Government needs to take to respond to air pollution, surely key to all of this needs to be investment in alternative modes of transport, like public transport. This should surely be the most important time to promote and provide certainty about funding for public transport. I would associate myself with the comments already made in the Siambr earlier today about the certainty over bus service funding.

Now, I know that active travel, Minister, is something that's close to your heart, and I welcome the point that you made about giving priority with roads to active travel routes to buses. I would welcome more information on that, because investing in these alternative modes would reduce the number of cars on the road and help to reduce emissions. Surely we should also be investing in electric vehicle infrastructure so that people can switch to cleaner, more sustainable forms of transport. There is chronic underfunding in that area. It's welcome to say that we want better bus services and modal shift. It's not just welcome, it's vital. But, with all of these things, they will rely on roads still. Again, it's the transition that I'm concerned about.

Secondly, would you agree, Minister, that we need to promote low-emission zones in our cities to help reduce emissions in our most populated areas and improve air quality for those who live and work there? I think there's something particularly to be said about improved monitoring of air pollution, particularly outside schools. Again, these interventions need to be undertaken in concert, of course, with the plan.

Finally, do you agree that we need to educate and empower people with the knowledge about the importance of reducing emissions and the impact that air pollution has on our health? Because if we work together to encourage people to make sustainable choices like using public transport—where it's available, of course, and making it more available—cycling, reducing energy use, that will help change, perhaps, the perception so that people don't feel that this is something that is being done to them, that it's a decision that they're part of as well, and getting that buy-in through the education system.

So, the roads review policy, I think, is a step in the right direction. It's a direction we have to go in, or we'll be swallowed by smog, but people have to be taken in that direction. There needs to be a route through for them to get there. The policy isn't perfect, but we need a comprehensive, integrated approach to addressing air pollution, to reducing emissions. It should include all of these different pieces coming together alongside sustainable agriculture and education.

I think the obvious point here as well is about legislation. We need the clean air Bill soon. An update on that would be very welcome as well. Together, we have to create a cleaner, greener, more sustainable future for Wales. I think that we want here—. We have to be en route to the same destination, but we need to make it easier and not harder for people to get there. So, let's work together to make that a reality.