Well, I sincerely am sorry to burst your bubble, Janet. It is hard to keep up, I must say, because when we made the decision not to go ahead with the roundabout changes, you told me that you were in favour of the decision. You're now against the decision. So, it's quite confusing. The point about those roundabouts, like the other decisions made in the roads review, is that, when schemes were built for road-safety reasons, the cases being made by our own departments and engineers were that the way to deal with that was by putting in grade-separated junctions—so, flyovers, in effect. Now, as I mentioned in the speech earlier, a third of all emissions from transport schemes come from the embodied carbon in the scheme. So, grade-separated junctions are expensive, they use a large amount of carbon, and the safety case that you make—if you read again the report that the roads review issued of those junctions—the safety case had not been made. They were effectively about increasing traffic flow and traffic speeds. Now, that is not consistent with safety.

I know nothing about your claim that it would put economic development in jeopardy, and I'd like to hear some evidence behind that, if that is, indeed, the case. But let me go back to the earlier point: you said that you want to put the infrastructure in place first and then look at the services. You know, this is a chicken-and-egg situation. We've been trying this approach of, 'Let's deal with this traffic problem with a bypass; let's deal with this traffic problem with an extra lane' for 70 years, and what it's done, as the roads review makes clear, is generate extra travel, which, then, the roads fill up and there's more congestion and then you have more investment. So, there is never any money to fund the alternatives. At some point, we have to break this cycle to put us in a way that we are fit for purpose with the climate targets that you and I have both said publicly we support, because it's no good supporting the target if you don't support the actions necessary.