I'm pleased this subject has been raised today, and where the Member for Cardiff Central and the Government think we have a shortage of Gypsy and Traveller sites, I think we have too many, especially in the north Wales area in particular. The Welsh Government have dictated from here, in Cardiff Bay, that every local authority needs to have at least one Gypsy and Traveller site in place to satisfy their woke agenda, but Travellers aren't travellers in the sense of the word if taxpayers' money is being spent on fixed sites in places where they don't contribute to society or pay their way.

In Denbighshire, they tried this approach back in 2018 and wanted a site on Green Gates Farm in St Asaph, and then in Rhuallt, but it was rejected time and time again through planning, and quite rightly so, by the people of Denbighshire. And the simple message is that we don't want them. So, when is the Welsh Government going to wise up, get real, and act in the best interests of people who pay their council taxes and charges, because Conwy, Flintshire, Gwynedd and Wrexham all have sites, so why can't we adopt a more regional approach and say, 'North Wales has enough already'?