I cannot say that because, as you pointed out, or Darren Millar pointed out earlier, I have not been involved in any of this; the whole discussion takes place between the Welsh Government and Plaid Cymru, from which many of us on our benches are left out.

If, however, the Government believe that additional roads create more traffic and pollution, why couldn't they close the Cardiff eastern bay link road to cars, lorries and motorbikes, and only allow buses and cyclists to use it, if that is the solution? We need an integrated transport strategy linked to housing, commercial and industrial development. New roads are not the solution everywhere, but are needed in some places. What works is what matters.