Well, I fundamentally disagree with that, Mark. If you're replacing all of the current cars on the road with electric or low-emission vehicles, you simply have a different climate crisis to look at. What we need here is a different solution to transport that does not rely on individual car transport.

Anyway, let me go back to my Flintshire red route example. Three hundred million pounds would have been spent—money that's not available then to spend on alternatives—to build a dual carriageway through an ancient woodland during a nature emergency; £300 million on a project that would have increased carbon emissions by 423,000 tonnes during a climate emergency, yet within a decade and a half of its construction levels of congestion would be back to where they are today. I really fail to understand how anyone can think that that is a sensible way to invest money. While I'm at it, the Tories who are going on about the amount of money that's not invested in north Wales really do need to do their sums; I think you need to have a look at what was proposed for the M4 in south Wales, if you want to really make the comparison.

Instead, we will invest sustainably in north Wales. The investment proposed there was not consistent with our commitments under the future generations Act, nor did it fit with what we said we'd do in the Wales transport strategy and it's not consistent with our statutory climate change targets. The reason we established the independent roads review panel was to test schemes like the red route, which were set in train before we agreed these policies, against our commitments and the organising principles of the Welsh Government. It is not a ban on road building, quite clearly, and we will work with the Burns commission to implement a sustainable scheme alternative, and that is quite clearly the right thing to do.

So, just to be clear, Llywydd, this is a technical policy exercise, and not something that any Government would consult on directly. The time to engage with the public and stakeholders is at the strategy stage and at the scheme stage, and, of course, we have done and will do as much of that as we possibly can. Indeed, the Burns commission in north Wales is now consulting as part of its work, and once local authorities have produced their new regional transport plans they too will consult on them, and rightly so.

The Conservative motion says that we need to,

'deliver the transport infrastructure the people of Wales rightfully deserve.'

We absolutely agree. We need to futureproof our infrastructure to deal with the challenges we know are coming our way. We will continue to invest in our road infrastructure. We'll do more to maintain the roads that we have and we will build new roads that meet our four policy tests. We will work with our local authorities to develop schemes that can address our transport problems without adding to the other challenges, and we have great confidence that that is all very doable.

Let us put this all into proportion. To get onto a pathway that we need to get onto to get us to net zero by 2050, we need to cut car use by 10 per cent, so all we are really—