Rail Transport

Part of 1. Questions to the First Minister – in the Senedd at 1:36 pm on 21 March 2023.

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Photo of Mark Drakeford Mark Drakeford Labour 1:36, 21 March 2023

Wel, Llywydd, first of all, the Member points to what is the fundamental difficulty at the root of what we have seen with HS2, and now, indeed, maybe with the Northern Powerhouse as well: it is the arbitrary ability of the UK Treasury to make classifications of the sorts to which Jane Dodds referred, and which ends up with the Northern Powerhouse being an England-and-Wales form of investment. It is plainly not; it is nonsensical to suggest that it is, but the Treasury is judge and jury in this matter—it sets the classification, and, if you wish to challenge it, it is the Treasury, which made that classification in the first place, that decides on whether or not they got it right. And surprisingly enough, they almost always conclude that they did. So, there is a fundamental unfairness in the system. In the negotiations carried out with the UK Government to reform inter-governmental relation machinery, we succeeded in introducing an independent element into disputes with the UK Government, where a devolved Government wished to raise an issue, other than in decisions made by the Treasury. And that is because the Treasury itself refused, even in Whitehall, and even under pressure, as I believe, from the Cabinet Office, to submit its decisions to any form of independent oversight. And that fundamental flaw continues to operate, to the detriment of Wales.

I'm grateful for what the Member said about the chance of an incoming Labour Government. And if we were in serious politics, we would understand that, if you are preparing for Government, you are not going to make a series of one-off decisions in an interview when you're asked that question. A Prime Minister preparing for Government will be making decisions in the round; we will continue to make the case—of course we will—over HS2. A mature opposition, preparing for Government, is going to have to make a whole series of difficult decisions in the round, and you don't do that by responding to requests for large sums of money in an interview.