Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:10 pm on 21 March 2023.
Minister, can I thank you again for bringing forward this statement, in particular the fact that it's come forward a lot sooner than it was indicated? We were expecting a statement—I wouldn't even say of this nature—but we were expecting to hear something from you between Easter and summer, so the fact you've come forward today with it, I think, will provide much reassurance to a lot of tenants and leaseholders.
Regarding the legally binding developers' pact, it's actually good to hear that 11 developers have signed up. You say you're pleased that Persimmon, Taylor Wimpey, Crest Nicholson and Barratt have also confirmed their intent to sign. I'm a great believer that 'intent to sign' is not worth the paper it's not written on, so I suppose really what I'm asking today is: what steps are you taking to ensure that they sign up, and quickly?
You mentioned that you want to take every opportunity to protect leaseholders. You'll be aware that your response to my spokesperson's questions last week have really—. I don't like to use the word 'ignited', but it has, and inflamed a situation where private leaseholders felt they were being left behind with the numbers of millions that have been spent in the rented social sector on remediation. This was a heart-rending message that was on Twitter the other day, and I know that you follow Twitter:
'Dear @JulieJamesMS my flat is also my home. The place where I am meant to rest & fell safe. It is NOT an "investment" to me. My partner and I worked 4 jobs between us to afford it! #EndOurCladdingScandal'.
We've had similar other messages coming in, saying, 'You have to be more in terms of equality,' 'You should really be treating all equally.' Last week, you made the point that it was because it was someone's investment that it wasn't necessarily the same as being in the rented social sector. A house that is not safe to live in—to me, it doesn't matter whether it's rented, social, or whether it's owner owned, a private leaseholder.
The orphan buildings have been worrying me, where the developer is unknown or has ceased trading. Where you had agreed to an initial cohort of six buildings, that's increased now to 28 buildings, and you mentioned that responsible owners of the buildings are being contacted to go through the next step. The Welsh building safety fund: £375 million of Welsh Government money. I'm still trying to ascertain how much of that money you've spent already and what is left to spend.
You move on to progress in the social sector, and that's not where my concerns are.
You mention that the first properties are now proceeding with their sales, and once completed this will allow those leaseholders to move on to new homes. I am sure that that will come as a really huge assurance to them. However, my question again is: when will we know the numbers that have already shown an interest? Those at the meeting I held didn't seem to be too aware of how they do this. So, can you, as well as putting, 'Please visit the Welsh Government website'—? Maybe you could make a statement or—I know there's a big budget now here in this Welsh Government for social media—use social media as a medium to get that message across that people can come forward to you.
I'm glad that you're working with UK Finance. I had to change what I was expecting to put towards you today. But I do think it's a more proactive statement than what we've heard of late. I don't want to repeat, but I need to know how much you've been spending.
Now, you're refusing to replicate sections 116 to 125, and I'm sorry to keep labouring this point, but it is a fact that the people caught up in this really don't understand legislation like we do—those who actually work in the Welsh Government or those in Parliament holding you to account. I just wonder why you will not allow Welsh private leaseholders to have the same legal levers as those across the border. You could bring in legislation here that replicates sections 116 to 125 to a degree whereby it can still have Welsh identity on it. Minister, will you consider looking at sections 116 to 125 again? How you do it, I don't think people are interested, but if you can actually give those same protections to the people living here in Wales, I think you will make an awful lot of people very happy and not afraid to keep living in their homes, as they are today. Thank you.