Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:37 pm on 22 March 2023.
The Minister won't be removed today because Labour will win this vote. What I've said is that I see the importance today of having the opportunity to emphasise what it is that we're fighting for. And to me, it's about accountability. And I would hope that the Government and those on the Labour benches would welcome the opportunity to show that they want to be accountable. We need to know that we have a Government, that we have Ministers, who are accountable and desire accountability. To serve in Government is an honour. It's an enormous responsibility too, and, no doubt, it's a difficult job. But there can be no ducking of responsibility because it's a difficult job, and admitting when you're getting it wrong is an important part of that process of seeking accountability.
Now, I note the Labour response to this afternoon's vote is quoted on the BBC's news website today: Welsh Labour said Ms Morgan is doing a great job. Now, I know that's just politics, and that's the risk when a confidence motion like this is laid, or, indeed, when there was a rather casual call from another Conservative Member just yesterday for another ministerial sacking: there's a retreat to political trenches. But we somehow have to try to rise out of that. So, why did I— [Interruption.] So, why did I say some weeks ago that we need a fresh start in health? This is my opportunity to explain.
I'm going to turn to the words of the former Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board chair Mark Polin, writing in the Daily Post today. I said I wanted to emphasise what's at stake, and I think he does it incredibly forcefully today. 'By any measure', he says,
'patients across Wales, and in particular north Wales, are being placed at risk by an NHS system which is badly misfiring and arguably broken.'
And on that key issue of accountability, he refers specifically to that Senedd statement by the health Minister on 28 February, saying,
'the Health Minister engaged in what can only be described as an exercise in attempting to distance herself, her government and her officials from any responsibility for seemingly anything to do with improving healthcare across Wales and particularly here in the north.'
And that does cut to the heart of the matter. Remember the Minister's own words in that BBC interview about Betsi Cadwaladr: 'It's not my job to have a grasp of the situation.' Mark Polin goes on:
'The government and the health minister also need to stop assigning failings to others and begin accepting and demonstrating responsibility rather than excuses.'
Damning words, but ones that echo comments I and others have made in this Chamber on many, many occasions, because there is a pattern here. This is a Minister and this is a Government that may well believe that they have a vision for the future of the NHS in Wales, but, if they do, it’s by now a hopelessly blurred vision, neutered by the constant firefighting, devoid of new ideas to see it through. Yes.