Yes, and I think that that—. I think both of you perhaps would want to see the same thing here, and the bus operators, particularly those small operators, the family-owned operators, they see that passengers are at the heart of this industry, and that's why I say that it's not just a discussion that's an academic one about structures; it's about maintaining people's ways of life. And I think we need to look again at our trends as a society, our attitudes towards public transport, and that dovetails with what Huw has asked for as well. But thank you for both of those interventions.

Now, the large-scale cancellation of services, as we’ve just heard, particularly those services that aren’t commercially viable, will leave communities across Wales isolated. That’s what we’re really concerned about here. It will leave people isolated, particularly in parts of the Valleys or in rural areas, places where people don’t have as many options in terms of different ways of getting from A to B. The point has been made previously that buses aren’t just vehicles; they're a lifeline for people and they bring our communities together. This is a wider question, which goes beyond transport alone.

Research by First Bus suggests that people choose buses for a number of different reasons, including awareness of the environmental crisis and the impact of the cost-of-living crisis. Thirty-six per cent use buses to save money, and a similar percentage feel that travelling by bus is beneficial to their mental health. And there is an appetite for even more. A recent YouGov survey found that 90 per cent of the population of these islands want to live within a 15-minute walk of a bus stop.

Now, buses do have the potential to play an even more prominent role in our daily lives, as we’ve just been discussing with Huw and with Rhun. But, without financial security for the industry in the long term, the impacts will be felt by the workforce, there will be impacts on education provision and, of course, in terms of how polluted the air that surrounds us is, because more people will opt to use their cars. And that will be a failure—not only a failure of policy, but a moral failure on the part of all of us. 

As I've said, travellers are at the heart of the bus industry, and how we do this in Wales. And of course the network isn’t perfect—the Government must have in-depth discussions with local government, with passenger groups, with TfW and other partners about the future of the current franchising model to ensure that the voice of our smallest operators is heard, and that the voice of the travellers and passengers is heard.

I'll conclude, Llywydd, with a list of questions for the Government. If the emergency funding scheme comes to an end in June, what additional support will be available to sustain those routes that aren’t commercially viable? Is sufficient funding available through the BES—or different sources of funding, as Huw perhaps was referring to—to create a new funding mechanism that is more sustainable? And does the Government believe that a deadline of the end of June gives the industry, local government and others—all of the partners—enough time to plan for the future? Because that’s the challenge.

I’m sorry, Mabon, that I’ve gone over time and you’ll have less time to respond to the debate, I’m afraid. But I do look forward to hearing the rest of the debate. Thank you.