9. Short Debate: Fire safety in high-rise flats: A clear timetable for remediation for residents

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 7:05 pm on 22 March 2023.

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Photo of Julie James Julie James Labour 7:05, 22 March 2023

Actually, you said yesterday—. You can check the Record, if you like. Maybe you didn't mean it, but what you said yesterday was really not very acceptable. Check it yourself.

Let us not forget that Grenfell itself was a social sector property. I think it's actually quite important to remember that. Yesterday, I updated the Senedd on progress that has been made in addressing fire safety issues in our social sector buildings. Twenty-six buildings of 11m and over in height have had fire safety works completed, and 41 buildings have works under way right now. I also confirmed that an additional £40 million is being allocated this year to undertake fire safety works in another 38 social sector buildings.

As I have previously stated, our Welsh building safety fund remains open for responsible persons to submit an expression of interest. It's a starting point for accessing Welsh Government support. So, again, if you come across any anyone who lives in a building that has not put the expression of interest in, please, please make sure that they do, because that is the basis on which we then can make retrospective payments, as well as getting them into the rolling programme of work.

The survey work continues. The independent surveys are funded directly by the Welsh Government. They offer a consistent reporting standard for responsible persons and highlight where responsibilities for fire safety issues lie.

I'll just address the issues around fires actually happening in buildings, as well. Quite clearly, we need to get the structure of the building right, we need to make sure that the fires are not occurring because of that. But if you have a building with wooden balconies, for example, that is an ongoing maintenance issue. That is not about the construction of the building in the first place. We do need to make sure that the responsible people step up to their maintenance responsibilities, as well. I'm very pleased at the fire service response to all of the fires that we've had and that any tragedy has been averted, but we are working with managing agents. I am meeting managing agents to impress on them that they must have maintenance programmes in place, as well as just blaming the original developer.

So, we've got 137 surveys completed so far, and 31 being progressed with our contractors, and I'm just continuing to get people to express an expression of interest if they haven't done so.

But we're doing more than just remediation. The people you highlighted, Rhys, should really be encouraged to apply to the leaseholder support scheme. We have a scheme specifically for people in the circumstance that you described. So, if you bought that as a retirement investment, you're not living there and you're relying on it for your continued ongoing financial resilience, then you should be applying to that, because we will buy you out. You really don't have to get to the option of just walking away; the Government will buy you out. The first properties are now actually being purchased as they go through the schemes, so please encourage them to apply for that scheme. There's an eligibility checker on the Welsh Government's website. If they find that too daunting, there are people available to help them go through it and understand how they can access that work. So, I'm really pleased that that's happening.

And finally, Dirprwy Lywydd, I was really pleased to update on the work that's been undertaken on the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors's valuation guidance, which does now extend to both England and Wales. It does provide consistency in the valuation approach for properties in Wales. It isn't mandatory, but why would they not be using it, because you can get more than one valuation done, and the valuation provides a consistent basis on which to value the buildings? So, I'm really quite pleased that we've done that. And that's for all the buildings, whether they're developer-led work, the initial orphan cohort or whether we've been able to confirm buildings are either below 11m or deemed low risk. So, the valuation applies to all of them.

We continue to work with UK Finance to ensure that lenders recognise the situation in Wales. I've also met with individual lenders so we can discuss the circumstance, so they can provide mortgages for those living in buildings with these issues. It's one of the reasons we don't name individual buildings as a Government, because we don't want to set off hares running for no reason. But we are prepared to work with lenders to help that happening, and that should also be happening now.

So, Dirprwy Lywydd, I'm committed to addressing these building safety issues in Wales. We'll continue to take forward the building safety programme, and I will continue to update Members as our plans for delivery are rolled out. Diolch.