Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:53 pm on 28 March 2023.
Diolch, Llywydd. I very much want to thank Members who’ve contributed to the debate today, and indeed to reiterate my thanks to the Chairs for their scrutiny of the LCMs over the time. I know that John Griffiths was not able to do this last one, but I’m very grateful for the previous work that the committee has done. I would just like to say that I completely agree about the time limits that have been imposed by the UK Government, and I’m very happy to continue to engage with Michael Gove in this particular instance about the timings of this. I think it has been useful that the debate has been able to take place prior to the vote in Westminster, but nevertheless, the timescales are inadequate for proper scrutiny.
I just want to say a few things about the contributions of both Janet Finch-Saunders and Mabon ap Gwynfor, just for clarification, Llywydd. These regulations will affect English social landlords who happen to have or manage properties in Wales—that’s around 500 properties. Just to be really clear, there are Welsh registered social landlords who own or manage properties in England and those houses are subject to the Welsh regime, so this is reciprocal. So, this isn’t that, somehow, England is having an influence in Wales that isn’t reciprocal—it is because the border is extremely porous and some properties are managed by people from the other side of the border. So, just to be really clear, I want Members to be really fully understanding that, if you are a Welsh registered provider, then you would be regulated by the Welsh regime. As Mabon ap Gwynfor pointed out, this is very much the English Government catching up with us and not the other way round. I just want to assure Members of that point. Nevertheless, it means that we need to have a regime that is fit for purpose and that the tenants of those particular RSLs do have the maximum protection that can be afforded. Therefore, Llywydd, I do recommend that Members support giving consent to this LCM. Diolch.