Thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this debate, and thank you for the great contributions from Steffan, Siân and Mick recently.

I was going to concentrate as well, fundamentally, on this element of policing and the justice system, because when we started here in 1999, one of the three main 999 services were devolved, and that was the ambulance service. And, the Deputy Presiding Officer will remember, a few years later, we had the devolution of the second main 999 service, which was the fire service. That leaves now just one of those, namely the police. So, rationally, it makes sense also for the police to be devolved here, like the two main 999 services that have already been devolved. It makes perfect sense. And, as we’ve heard, policing has already been devolved in Northern Ireland, Scotland, London and Manchester. Therefore, you have to ask the question, ‘What is wrong with us?’ at the end of the day. Because here we are, an established organisation, and we can make laws, and yet we don’t have the right to look after our own policing system.

At the end of the day, and to bring everything under one building, as it were, we’re very keen to try and avoid reoffending. When I was here before, we had a number of reviews on how to avoid reoffending. When somebody leaves prison, there is a great challenge for that individual and a great challenge for society to ensure that that person doesn’t reoffend and find himself or herself back in prison. Of course, there is a lot of co-ordination work that’s needed to ensure that there is a constructive future in front of that individual. And, of course, that belongs to our housing system, the NHS, our social services, which have already been devolved, but also the probation service, the prisons themselves, and the justice system itself, which have not been devolved. Therefore, there is a fundamental challenge there to co-ordinate those services that have been devolved already and to co-ordinate their work for that particular individual with those services that haven’t been devolved. It doesn’t make sense. There is a need for all of those services to be devolved. That’s what we want to see, and that is what will ensure improved care for our most vulnerable people.

So, at the end of the day, common sense must prevail here. We’re not asking for something that hasn’t happened already in places such as Northern Ireland, Scotland, London and Manchester. Therefore, support Plaid Cymru’s debate. Thank you.