Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:34 pm on 21 June 2016.
Thank you very much. I’m grateful, also, for your very kind remarks. I’m not usually associated with a muscular approach to any particular policy field. I’m more usually associated with a cup of tea and a cake, but I certainly hope that we will be able to have a conversation with the BBC that is intelligent and based upon respect for their charter commitments and their mission, but also respect for licence fee payers in Wales and the BBC’s commitment to the whole of the United Kingdom. In many ways, clearly, as a Parliament in this place, we talk about these matters in relation to Wales, but it is my concern that the BBC represents the whole of the United Kingdom and is a British broadcaster, and is not simply a broadcaster for the middle classes within the M25. I say that very clearly, because, although we are concerned here with the portrayal of Wales and spending in Wales, many of the issues that we will raise here might also be raised by licence fee payers elsewhere in England, Scotland or Northern Ireland. That’s why I do say repeatedly that the BBC, sometimes, does need to recognise that a change of culture within the BBC is necessary, not simply to move facilities out of London, but to move minds out of London as well, and I hope that that will happen and there will be a recognition of that.
The work, Lee, that you carried out with the IWA, I thought, was groundbreaking and I thought contributed hugely to the work that Bethan referred to—the work that we did as a committee—and also enabled us to have the sorts of conversations that we were able to have in that committee. I would hope that a media forum that we could create within Government would provide a similar sort of role and a similar sort of contribution to the debate that we need to have in the future in Wales. There is no limitation, if you like, on the sort of people we would like to have within this forum, and, certainly, I agree with you that the universities do play an important role and need to play an important role in this conversation and debate in the future.
The points—I’ll just finish on this remark here—that you make about spending are absolutely fundamental to delivering what we would like to see. It is a matter of celebration that we have Roath Lock opposite us here in Cardiff Bay, that we see drama production here in Wales, funded by the BBC and supported by the BBC. However—however—as a constituent part of the United Kingdom, it is totally unacceptable that the BBC does not portray life in modern Wales as a part of its schedule, year after year after year after year. It is entirely unacceptable. The BBC have recognised that it’s unacceptable, and it is a matter now for the BBC to put that right. In doing so, the BBC also has to ensure that the funding is available to do that and that there is funding in Wales to make programming for the Welsh audience, but also that decisions are made and funding is available to make programming in Wales for UK audiences as well. What we want to see is the BBC living up to its role as a British broadcaster and one that represents and recognises life across these islands today.