Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:48 pm on 5 July 2016.
Thank you for that series of questions. In my usual format, I’m going to answer the last one first and work backwards, just that’s because how my brain works.
In terms of the overall funding programme, yes, we are going to assume, because we’ve been told on many occasions, that the funding shortfall that falls to Wales as a result of the Brexit agenda will be made up by the UK Government. As we heard earlier, in First Minister’s questions, we have been promised this many times and we’re going to assume that that’s the case until we’re told differently. I will comment this, though, and I said this in my apprenticeship statement a couple of weeks ago: it’s not just money that we get from the EU, we get research opportunities, we get exchange opportunities, our young people have the chance to learn from other people who are undertaking vocational programmes and traineeships and apprenticeships. I very much hope that, in the negotiations that we now embark on with the EU, these cultural and learning opportunities, in which Wales has been very much a leader and a beneficiary of the joint learning that has been undertaken, can continue to happen. It very much isn’t just about the money in these things. It’s very much about what works.
In terms of some of your other questions, I can assure you there is no question of financial savings in this. This isn’t about the budget overall. This is about the skills tracks programme. I think you held up the paper version of that. It looks a bit like a tube map. The idea is to make it a much more simple thing to navigate as both a recipient of one of the programmes or indeed as an adviser—perhaps a parent if you are at early ages, or a partner, and so on—advising somebody through the programme. So, that’s an interactive map that you’re looking at there. You should be able to click on the node and it should tell you where you are, and you should be able to follow fairly swiftly through to get yourself to the right thing.
You’ve heard me say many times in the previous Assembly that the difficulty with employability programmes is that you do not want, under any circumstances, to arrive at a one-size-fits-all. People are individuals; they require individual support. Often a one-size package doesn’t fit them. So, this is about tailoring those packages. The employability programmes have been very successful, but people who are further away from the job market need a different range of support, both to get them into those employment opportunities and actually to keep them there. It’s not just about getting the job and then walking off; it’s about keeping them in that job and making sure the support mechanisms are in place to maintain them there. From simple things like the fact that your first month in work is sometimes the most expensive month you’ll ever experience—you haven’t had a salary and you’ve got all the expense. So, it’s something simple like that, right through to all of the difficulties of navigating through family life, work and so on if you’ve been unemployed for a considerable period of time. So, this is about tailoring a set of successful programmes to harder-to-reach individuals as the economic emphasis closes.
Now, we don’t know what the outcome of the European Union negotiations might be, so the other thing is to be flexible in the face of uncertainty. So, this is about making the programmes as flexible as possible to respond to an uncertain future. It may be that we have some growth, in which case we need to respond to harder-to-reach individuals; it may be that we have redundancies and so on, in which case we need to respond with, effectively, short-term crisis management, as with ReAct. So, these programmes are being designed to be as flexible as possible within the constraints that they operate in.
The last thing I want to say about that is that it’s not one brand, except that we’re calling it Employability Skills strands. There will be individual programmes in there, but the idea is to make them flexible, allow people to move to and fro. We are having some difficulty in negotiating with the DWP because they themselves have changed the parameters of their programme and the goalposts have moved, to mix my metaphors all over the place. The goalposts have moved quite significantly over the last six months. We are in close negotiation with them and with the various city deals around Wales and with the regional skills partnerships to make sure that we have a coherent offer that matches together with the UK Government’s offer and so on.
To answer your first question last, in terms of devolution, we would like some more powers around how to assess people and how to get them onto the programmes, but you will know that we have long said that we will not accept some of the less—in my opinion—effective results with the DWP’s programmes, like mandation and sanctioning, for example. So, it is around what we can negotiate in order to keep our employment programmes open and acceptable to everybody.