3. Urgent Question: National Museum Wales and Cadw

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 2:23 pm on 4 October 2016.

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Photo of Ken Skates Ken Skates Labour 2:23, 4 October 2016

In short, to the final question, yes. The Member was not present in 2013 and nor was the Chair of the new committee a member of that committee in 2013 when there was an inquiry into the Welsh Government’s historic environment. The vision that I’ve outlined for Historic Wales is not a vision held by one person or one party. It’s actually a vision that comes from all parties that were present in this Chamber in the previous Assembly. That inquiry recommended a number of changes to the current system. It included members of the three parties and the Liberal Democrats at the time, albeit not UKIP. But during the course of that inquiry it became clear, and I’m going to read a few sections from the evidence that was given, that more needed to be done to ensure that the sustainability of the historic environment sector is guaranteed. That was crystal clear from the outset. The more evidence that came in, the more convincing it was that change needed to take place.

‘Wales is a small country and it needs its lead heritage organisations to work in collaboration if it is to be most effective at serving the people of Wales.’

Not my words, the chief executive of the national museum’s words. He went on to say that the museum

‘believes that the added value achieved through shared funding and collaborative projects with local authorities and third sector organisations is of key importance.’

And I agree. In the recommendations, one of the recommendations was that the Welsh Government put in place mechanisms to better ensure collaboration in promoting the historic environment. I agree. Another recommendation: the Welsh Government should explore options to transfer the responsibility for promoting local authority assets to Cadw. That goes even further than what was suggested for Historic Wales. Another recommendation: the Welsh Government should explore the possibility of establishing a national membership-based heritage organisation in order to promote historic sites. And a further recommendation: the Welsh Government should explore the possibility of establishing a representative umbrella body such as English Heritage to represent non-Government organisations in the third and private sectors. This is precisely what we have taken forward with the programme of Historic Wales.

Now, in terms of the comments that were made by the committee at that time, and albeit that the Members from Plaid Cymru who were on that committee are no longer with us—Lindsay Whittle, and also Rhodri Glyn Thomas, who, as I’m sure you’re aware, is now the president of the national library—they said,

‘We feel that there must be an increased synergy in promotional activities…We support the view…that there is tremendous potential for a more joined-up approach to promotion. We feel that there is an opportunity to be bold and creative’.

We are being bold. We wish to be creative.

In terms of the responsibilities, I think this is very much for the steering group to consider. In terms of identity, let me be absolutely clear that, as part of the vision, the importance of Historic Wales is in maintaining the independence, the identity, the integrity and the core purposes of the national institutions. That is absolutely recognised. The objective of Historic Wales is to enable them to harness their collective expertise, and their resources, to maximise commercial revenues for the benefit not just of our heritage but also for the economy, and also for communities. We have a programme. Many Members are aware of it—the Fusion programme. That attempts to bring together some of our major cultural institutions with the communities that they serve to tackle poverty. That’s exactly what is being achieved via the national museum, working in collaboration with local authorities. It’s exactly what will be achieved by Historic Wales.