Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:03 pm on 4 October 2016.
Thank you, Presiding Officer, but I must say that this isn’t good news. As you’ve already said, you are extremely disappointed. May I also declare that I’m exceptionally disappointed? In your previous response, you alluded to the fact that some of us weren’t here in the last Assembly term, but I was here in the one before that, and I can assure you that we were discussing the M4 problems at that time. We were also discussing the need to electrify the railway line to Swansea. Well, nothing seems to be moving on here.
I understand the announcement, but why do we have to follow London? Explain to me and everybody else who was stuck in a queue around Newport this morning: why do we have to wait for a decision from London that has just landed on your desk without warning and you have to respond by delaying? Why do we have to follow the London line on this? Basically, could you say how this happened? How did this occur? People tell us—the people who want an independent Wales—that we are stronger because we are attached to England, because there’s collaboration and there are two Governments, one at each end of the M4, that are able to collaborate, co-ordinate and every other ‘co-’. Well, obviously, it’s not happening, so we must ask: how do we benefit by being stuck to England?
Emotions are running rather high when you see this kind of decision, because people have been waiting years for an improvement, or for something to be done about the M4. I know your black route—of course, there’ll be no money left if we pursue that one—the blue route, and, of course, you have a review. You’d imagine that the review would look at all the pressures and how to quantify things and there would be no need for further delay. People have been waiting and waiting for years.
In passing, as a party, we announced our national infrastructure commission for Wales yesterday. I know that we have actually agreed on NICW, but I have to say that our NICW is quite different to yours. We wish to see a powerful body that is able to get investment, that can attract funding and operate at arm’s length from Government and stay in the public sector. It would be able to provide an infrastructure such as the new M4, on whichever route we all agree on ultimately. It’s time to act and time for action.
As I said, there’s been delay and there are a number of things that haven’t been done over the years, such as addressing the problem of the M4 around Newport and such as the electrification of the railway to Swansea. We can discuss this ad infinitum, but, from your point of view, you believe that we are stronger in that we have to listen to London. I would disagree with you. I believe it’d be better for us to grasp the issue ourselves and go for it, but, of course, you have a different vision to me in that respect. But, please, explain to me how this current arrangement strengthens us when the people of Wales are still waiting for things to happen. Thank you.