Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:37 pm on 18 October 2016.
Diolch, Simon Thomas, for those questions. I refute allegations that there’s been a lull in our TB eradication programme since we announced we wouldn’t be vaccinating badgers. That’s just one part of the programme; we have other measures, and that includes the animal testing regime. We have been testing much harder than we were. We’ve got Cymorth TB. We’ve had informed purchasing, albeit, obviously, a voluntary scheme. But I do think that that is just one part of our scheme.
In answer to your question regarding the governance of the boards being looked at, there are several aspects to that. If we’re going to have this regionalisation, obviously, we are out to consultation now—it’s a 12-week consultation; it ends on 10 January—and there are a lot of things that we haven’t got the answers to yet, and I do really want to consider the responses we get. We need to look at the boards because the boards are based on regions now that wouldn’t concur with the regions that we would have going forward. So, I think we need to look at that. I also want to look at the gender balance of our boards, and I’m sure you won’t be surprised to hear me say that.
In relation to the Northern Ireland—. And I’m very pleased you welcome making it very clear that there won’t be an England-style cull, but I have looked at the Northern Ireland pilot very, very closely over the summer. What I want to see are those bespoke action plans brought forward. We’re not going to consult on that—that will happen—and it’s really important that we have—. You know, no-one’s got the answer. We really need to work together. I don’t have the answers standing here; farmers don’t have the answers. It’s really important that we work together. So, what I want to see are those bespoke action plans drawn up with the farmer, with their vets, with our vets if necessary, and with the Animal and Plant Health Agency to make sure that we are dealing with that. It has proven quite difficult, I think. We have little understanding about how TB spreads between cattle and badgers, so it’s very important that farmers understand the badger activity on their farms, and that we all work together in relation to that. And you’re right, it is about the health and welfare of the badger population also. So, I have asked, as I say, officials to look at that very closely.
In relation to trade, I know that there have been concerns mentioned about trade. It’s not just Wales that has TB; there are other parts of the EU where bovine TB is present. I think it’s really important that we maintain our reputation for absolutely the highest animal health and welfare standards. I was in SIAL in Paris yesterday, where it was very clear that people accepted that our produce was of absolutely the highest quality. It was mentioned to me several times that people understand that Wales has that very high animal health and welfare standard.
In relation to capping compensation, I’ve thought about that again very carefully. It’s out to consultation, as I say, and if people feel that—. As you say, it is a large nut and maybe it is a large sledgehammer, but I think we do need to look at that. We have to understand that, going forward, coming out of the EU, 10 per cent of our TB eradication programme budget is from the EU—it’s about £2 million to £3 million that we’re not going to have. So, we need to look at ways of saving money. I will, again, look very closely at the consultation responses we have in relation to the compensation. I understand farmers’ concerns. It was actually a farmer himself who said to me, ‘We can insure our cattle if we feel they’re of a much higher value.’ We can look at that, as I say, when we have the responses to the consultation.
Informed purchasing, again, that would be part of the consultation, but I think that there is a great deal of work that we can do to help farmers mitigate the risk of buying infected cattle. And it’s not just working with farmers, it’s working with markets, and I know we’ve encouraged markets to put boards up when cattle are being sold, to have information around that. But, we need to look at cross-border. Obviously, if it has an impact across the border, I’m very happy to look at that, coming out of the consultation.