Cabinet Secretary, I had the opportunity at lunchtime to visit the plethora of societies and trusts in the Oriel upstairs dedicated to protecting our historic environment; to name but a few, the Welsh Historic Gardens Trust, the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings, and also of course the Friends of Friendless Churches, often mentioned in this Chamber. They have concerns about this process. They are optimistic as well about some aspects of it, but they do have concerns. How are you working with these smaller organisations to make sure that this process is as smooth as possible, and that these organisations are reassured?

Secondly, I will be frank, I’ve not always had the best of relations with Cadw. I think Cadw do some things very well. I think there are other things, certainly in the archaeological field, that they do less well. I remember in this Chamber in the last Assembly questioning the previous Minister for culture on the discovery of the prehistoric lake in Monmouth. A local archaeologist was telling me that there was evidence of prehistoric boat building on the shores of that lake. That was refuted by Cadw for months and months until they finally accepted it. They didn’t listen to the local expertise.

So, when it comes to your new proposals, will you ensure that, whether you go down the line of a new larger body or retain smaller bodies, that that larger body does tie in with the local community, does tie in with locally based organisations, and does listen to their expertise, which is often very extensive and very important to the local community? I don’t think that the current structures have always done that. As I say, in some cases, they’re particularly good at conserving what we already know, but in terms of valuing what we are just about discovering, they’re not so good at that. So please will you ensure that the new structures do take account of those aspects?