Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:22 pm on 8 November 2016.
I’d like to thank Nick Ramsay for his questions. I’m very pleased that he enjoyed the event here today. I hosted the event and I took the time myself to speak to a number of the groups that came along with fascinating information about Historic Wales. There were some concerns raised. I was able to dispel them, and I think that is a task for me in the weeks and the months to come—to assure that we’re doing this to grow the sector to make it more sustainable. This isn’t a threat to any institution or organisation. This is an opportunity. To work together will be of huge benefit to the smaller organisations, and of those organisations here today, we fund many of them, and I think they would also recognise that, although our support is absolutely crucial, what is even more important in the years to come is that they themselves find other ways to lever in resources as well.
I recently visited, with my colleague Lynne Neagle, a museum in her constituency where I heard that there had been in recent years a loss in the number of paid staff, and whilst they were replaced by volunteers, the situation has now arisen where they are just under immense pressure, financial pressure, to maintain the service that is vital to that community. They actually said the opposite to what I’ve heard in some quarters, which is that we have to make sure that we have strong leadership, we have to make sure that we have strong national institutions, but above all we have to make sure that there are means of levering in additional resources to make the entire sector stronger. It’s very difficult for me to say to small, community museums and community libraries, ‘We cannot afford to fund you’, and yet they then say to me, ‘But you’re increasing the resource for national institutions’. What I would like to see emerge is a culture in which everybody collectively in society is contributing more through being more active in the culture sector, so that small organisations lever in more resources and large institutions do likewise. That’s the vision, and I would urge any Member who is opposing what we have outlined, and our position, to come forward with an alternative vision. Because the problems that the sector faces will not go away simply by ignoring the need to change.
In terms of Cadw’s engagement with communities, the first thing I did with regard to Cadw when I was appointed to my previous role was to write to all community groups within a certain radius of Cadw sites, to ask them whether there are any functions that they would like to use those sites for. We provided the names of the custodians at each site, and, as a result of that, I am now aware of new festivals that have taken place at Cadw sites, and new community activities. I’d like to see more of that activity right across Wales.
But Cadw serves two functions, and I think, sometimes, those two functions, as far as people—the customer, the population—are concerned, are conflated. The two functions are, of course, the statutory function and the commercial function. And, sometimes, the commercial function can be inhibited, or the commercial success of Cadw can be inhibited, by virtue of being in Government. It can’t operate quite as flexibly sometimes.
So, this is not a power grab from me. I do not want to take the national museum into Government. My portfolio is wide enough as it is. And, actually, I want to liberate—if anything, I want to give power away to people, so that people are able to embrace their assets locally. Because I know that historic assets are often what defines our communities in Wales. They’re what make people most proud of where they live, and I want to make sure that they’re better utilised, and that they are visited by more people.