Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:52 pm on 6 December 2016.
I thank David Melding for his comments and questions. As I said at the start, our priorities remain as set out in ‘Energy Wales: A low carbon transition’, ‘Green Growth Wales’ and other policies that have come forward. If going to COP22 in Marrakesh taught me one thing, it was about the whole decarbonisation agenda and how we need to focus on the different sectors to make sure we achieve those targets. Obviously, energy has now come together in one portfolio, so I thought it important to bring this statement forward.
In relation to energy efficiency, I think Arbed and Nest are very good schemes and certainly in looking at the outcomes, I think that’s absolutely the right way forward if we’re going to reach our fuel poverty target. I absolutely take on board what you say about smart meters, and that’s a conversation that I’ve had with the energy companies and with Ofgem.
You referred a couple of times to skills being very important in the energy sector, and I couldn’t possibly argue with that. I remember when I was the skills Minister several years ago, having a focus on ensuring we had enough people to install solar panels, for instance. But now, because of the UK Government’s support being taken away from solar—I’m a big fan of solar—I think we’re seeing the number of solar panels being installed reducing, which I think is a great shame. So, it’s about ensuring that those skills are right. For instance, on Anglesey in Wylfa Newydd, there is a big focus on ensuring that those skills are there going forward. But you’re right; across the board in energy, we need to ensure the appropriate skills are there.
You mentioned the private sector having a role to play in two ways: businesses have a role to play, and I think it’s really important, if we’re going to have that energy mix that we want to see and that security, that we need to ensure that we attract private sector funding also. But I think you are right; we need to ensure that companies are energy efficient and that we are encouraging them to—as I said, the first priority is to reduce the usage in Wales.
Prices also have a hugely important role to play. We haven’t got the powers over those, that’s the UK Government, and I know the First Minister has written, I think, to the Prime Minister and also to the appropriate Secretary of State in relation to reducing costs also.
You mentioned carbon budgets. The timing of the regulations were actually previously discussed and agreed in this Chamber, I think as the environment Bill was going through. It was voted on and that’s how those dates were set. But I am now in the process of setting that carbon budget. I think you’re right; they will be hugely beneficial.
On electric vehicles and, as you mentioned, taxi fleets, I was talking to the deputy mayor of Oslo in Marrakesh and that’s one of their ambitions—that all taxi fleets will be electric vehicles going forward. We have to get the infrastructure in place. People are telling me, you know, that they would buy an electric vehicle but they can’t charge it up, and local authorities are saying they’re not installing charging points because not enough people have got electric vehicles. So, I think I do need to have a look at where we can target support to make sure that circle is rectified, to make sure that’s not a barrier for people having electric vehicles going forward.
On renewable targets, I’m very keen to have some targets, but again, because of the paucity of the UK Government support, I don’t want to set a target that’s not achievable. We need to make sure that we’re realistic and pragmatic about this, but I think, going forward, we need to have those targets in place.
In relation to the legislation, we’ve got the legislation in place now and it’s about—you know, now we need to deliver on that legislation that we’ve got in place. It will help, I think, for us to have the right, secure energy mix that we want going forward.