Diolch yn fawr, Lywydd. This is not a debate about whether we should stay in the EU. We’ve all moved on from that. I bitterly regret the result, but the result is the result. Now, we have a common objective, and that is achieving a successful Brexit. There are challenges that face the UK and Wales in that context. I think some of the mechanisms of Government and inter-governmental work in particular within the UK will need to be reformed. I want to say a few words about that, I want to say a few words about our relations with the EU, and then there are some specific Welsh interests.

Can I start, then, with the UK’s structure of Government? I think for a long time we’ve realised that better inter-governmental working would strengthen the British constitution, and now the actual Brexit process itself, and then dealing with politics when we’ve left the European Union—these things require much more effective inter-governmental working. We can look at the joint ministerial council, particularly JMC Europe, for the way that’s worked in the past, as something of a best model, but we need to go even further than that. But JMC Europe did work quite effectively because they produced—I’m sorry to be technical—a speaking note for the Council of Ministers in Europe and that required a lot of co-operation between the Governments, and particularly the officials. That’s the sort of thing we’re going to need to replicate.

The First Minister, in the White Paper, makes some, I think, very bold suggestions that we should go from JMCs to a Council of Ministers. I think he’s right to push for that. I hope he has allies in Scotland and Northern Ireland because they’re going to be key. And he’s called for independent arbitration—now, as a great federalist, I wish him well and I particularly wish him more influence that I’ve ever had on the Conservative Governments that determine these matters. Arbitration, I think, would be possible on the Treasury grant system. That is definitely seen in other federal states, but I think arbitration across the policy framework where we have joint UK policies may be a difficult one to achieve. But if he achieves it, it would certainly be in our interest here in Wales.

I do think that what we see in the White Paper about the need for some UK-wide policies—probably agriculture, environment, and there may be social matters and regional policy as well. None of us should forget that, and I appreciate all the parties that have acknowledged that.

Can I now turn to relations with the EU? Here, I do think the Brexiteers need to get their argument sorted out pretty quickly, because some of them speak with glee about the prospect of the EU collapsing with the single market and the euro. They have hitched themselves to the tiger of Trump, who has said some very loose things in this direction, and where that tiger is going to take us, well, no-one yet knows, but I think it will be a rather uncomfortable ride. I think we need to say we want the EU to prosper. That’s why we need a good and effective Brexit. They need the opportunity now to get on with their own goals and their own need for reform, which is there—in any organisation, any state, there needs to be constant work of reform. We need to get the rhetoric right in this. Going into a deal when we’re bad-mouthing them, or seeming to be, anyway, is no way to proceed. [Interruption.] I give way.