I don’t think anybody on the Brexit side is foolish enough to think that Britain’s advantage and Wales’s advantage could be obtained by causing the collapse of the EU. But the big problem with the EU is that it’s fundamentally a political project not an economic project, and the politicians who are determined to try and make it succeed fear that, if we make an economic success of Brexit, that that undermines their own political project, and that is the real conundrum of this, which is why we need unity between parties to try to get over that hurdle.