8. 8. Debate: Stage 4 of the Landfill Disposals Tax (Wales) Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:17 pm on 27 June 2017.

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Photo of Nick Ramsay Nick Ramsay Conservative 5:17, 27 June 2017

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. The Welsh Conservatives will be supporting the passage of this Bill at Stage 4 of this legislation. As you yourself have indicated over the weeks and months of this process, landfill tax, as the second tax to be devolved, may not be the talk of pubs and clubs across this country but it is nonetheless an important tax, an important tool in the often talked about Welsh Government toolbox. And it’s vital, of course, that we have our own replacement for that tax when, in April 2018, the UK-wide landfill tax is switched off. That deadline is fast approaching so we appreciate that the Welsh Government does need to have an alternative.

It’s an important tax because of the environmental aspect of the tax, which was discussed extensively by committee members in the Finance Committee sessions. Clearly, over time, we hope that the tax take from it reduces because we hope that, over time, the amount of landfill will go down. But there is a strong need for this tax at this point and there will be for the foreseeable future.

Can I thank you as well for the way that you’ve dealt both with myself—and your officials have—and the way you’ve dealt with Simon Thomas, the Chair of the committee and the Finance Committee? It’s not always been an easy tax, task—I’ve got my taxes and tasks mixed up. I discovered over the last few months that tax legislation, even when it appears very simple at the outset, can at the end of the day become a far more complicated affair than was first foreseen. So, thank you for your patience and for your officials’ patience.

As you said in your opening remarks, the next stage is going to be implementation. Even since the process of Stage 3 and Stage 2 and the amendments that were made, as you will be aware, a couple of amendments have struck me that weren’t tabled at that time for differing reasons, and there is still a process of implementation and development of the tax to be done. You made several undertakings during the Finance Committee meetings that you would be watching that process very closely and that, where amendments haven’t been tabled to cover all aspects of this, you would be keeping a close eye to make sure that the tax is developing in the way that you would want it to and the committee would want it to, and that the spirit of that legislation plays out over the time to come.

I hope you will keep a watch now, and I hope that, where faults do emerge—. Because no tax in its initial development is perfect, so I’m sure there will be—obviously there will be—flaws that will be observed over the months and years to come. I hope that you and the Welsh Government will be looking closely to see that those can be ironed out. We do have the land transaction tax coming in at the same time, you’ve already mentioned the Welsh Revenue Authority, and I know you are, to use the expression, juggling a lot of balls in the air at the same time with all of this tax devolution. As you are aware and I’ve said, it’s not an easy task. We are more than happy within the Welsh Conservatives to support you on this difficult road, and I know you have the support of other committee members and other Members of this Chamber in ensuring that this process of tax devolution is as smooth and as professional and, at the end of the day, as straightforward and understandable to people out there, not just in here, as is possible.