Can I also add my congratulations to Dafydd Elis-Thomas on his appointment as a Minister? I'd also like to thank him for the statement he's made and the clarity of the decision to keep Cadw as part of Government. I am, however, disappointed that the opportunity to examine what it is for and what it has achieved in respect of protecting the historic built environment was not taken. 

There are two examples I'll give you from Swansea East. Firstly, a nineteenth century church associated with the Morris family was refused listing by Cadw. However, a 1960s church on the Portmead estate was listed, much to the amazement of my constituents. Maes-y-Gwernen Hall, which was once the home of the renowned tin plate family and produced two MPs, and which also hosted former British Prime Minister Lloyd George and his family, was not only refused listing but is due to be demolished. Derelict Danbert House, which was the home of the son of a tin plate owner, has been listed. Finally, the view that I share that Cadw would prefer to see a listed building fall down than it be altered—. But it appears that, as long as it generates further income then the above does not matter. What I cannot understand is why responsibility for listing buildings cannot be given to local authorities, who know their area.