Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:55 pm on 10 January 2018.
The world's first traffic light was installed outside the House of Commons in 1868, to control the flow of London carriages. Unfortunately, because it was gaslit, it blew up a few weeks later. Since then, I think we've been struggling as to how we're going to manage congestion on our roads. It seems to me that, unfortunately, I'm slightly depressed, like Lee Waters, that we still seem to be coming up with the same old, same old arguments for spending more money on roads to beat road congestion. I think all the evidence is that spending more money on roads increases congestion, because it encourages even more people to go by road. So, I look forward to the day when David Rowlands will be able to get onto the metro from Pontypool, rather than struggling on an overcrowded road.