6. Debate on the Petitions Committee's report on Disabled People's Access to Public Transport

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:06 pm on 31 January 2018.

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Photo of Janet Finch-Saunders Janet Finch-Saunders Conservative 5:06, 31 January 2018

Thank you. I'm thrilled to be able to contribute to this debate. I'm actually enjoying my time on the Petitions Committee, because I've been surprised, really, just how many people do take that Petitions Committee seriously and actually feel that they can engage with the democratic process here. But I have to say, one of the best evidence sessions of any committees that I've been on in the two terms that I've been an Assembly Member was certainly this one, because it was a real eye-opener, and it is was a delight to meet so many impassioned and inspirational young activists from Whizz-Kidz, and not only to hear their stories, but, actually, with the video that they provided, and the engagement that we had with them, the conversations we had informally and then formally, through the evidence that they submitted to committee—it was fantastic.

Now, this petition seeks to ensure that disabled people are able to access public transport, and for me, that means all methods of public transport, when required and without the need to plan assistance 24 hours or even more in advance. I think it's safe to say that we can all agree that, in this day and age, such an ambition shouldn't just be perhaps achievable, it should be a given.

I note the acceptance of the Welsh Government of all the recommendations we have set out in this report, but I would further like to press the Cabinet Secretary for a little more clarification and detail on a number of points. Would you outline how the Welsh Government might work to examine the feasibility of supporting the use of an orange wallet-style assistance scheme in taxis and private hire vehicles in Wales, in addition to looking at this for bus services? In fact, I think we should have some kind—without putting any discrimination on or labelling people, I do think that, if there is a belief in an orange wallet-style assistance scheme in taxis, private hire vehicles, buses and trains, then we should be looking at that.

How will you work with interest groups and operators to develop training for customer-facing staff under the new Wales and borders franchise to ensure that disabled people will be able to just turn up and go on railway services in Wales in the future? What does the Cabinet Secretary estimate the cost will be for this development and the undertaking of accessibility awareness training for bus drivers across Wales, as noted in the report, and his acceptance? How much of this is intended to be provided by the Welsh Government and how much by the bus services support grant?

Finally, the importance of audio and visual announcement systems on public transport was stressed by practically everybody in our evidence sessions, and I have to tell you, whilst this is to do with a petition now for disabled access, I find it difficult, especially at nights when the trains are dark and things. Sometimes the announcements aren't easy, so if I struggle, then it should be an absolute given that people can actually hear and see exactly where they are, and when they need to depart the train, so that, again, they can be prepared, and so that there's no risk of accident. What did worry me in a lot of the evidence we took was not so much how inconvenient it was to access public transport, but that they felt that it was dangerous on occasion, and that they felt a nuisance. They felt unsafe as well at times, and I think that's a sad indictment, really, when you think how we are able to get around so easily. Bus service operators assured us during evidence that they ensure that they will acquire into their new vehicles audio and visible announcement systems. But I really want you to work with the industry, Cabinet Secretary, to ensure that this becomes a reality.

You mentioned utilising the support and the financial resource that we have, and I wonder what commitment you are able to make today. Accessibility to public transport for all must be a right, not a privilege, and is essential to working towards a more prosperous and greener Wales.

I welcome and I applaud the tenacity and determination of the young petitioners in bringing this issue to the fore of the agenda here in the National Assembly for Wales. I hope that easy use of public transport will be universal here by the end of this Assembly term. Well done to everybody who presented and brought their evidence to us from Whizz-Kidz. Thank you.