I think, first of all, just to say, though, that the Eunomia report is quite radical in its way. It has lots of refreshing ideas there, it has some astonishing facts and figures. So, beverage containers, drink containers: 40 per cent of the litter on the ground are basically drinks containers. If we could raise our recycling rate, which varies between 65 and 70 per cent around various drinks containers—although I think those are only the ones that actually get into the stream, rather than everything—and if we get to an 80 or 90 per cent recycling rate of these containers, we will actually halve—that's halve—the requirement for primary materials. So, recycling isn't just about keeping the goods going, if you like, and helping the environment, but you're talking about less use of resources in the first place, less energy going into them, you're talking about better economy, you're talking about that zero-waste economy and the benefits to us more widely that we have all, I think, tried to embrace in the Assembly. So, in that regard, I very much welcome the report and some of the ideas within it.

My difficulty, as previously, Cabinet Secretary, is that waste packaging and product regulations is indeed one of the 24 areas, following leaving the EU from 29 March, that will be reserved, in effect, under the reserved-powers, devolution-not model, to the UK Government. We wait to see how this actually will pan out. Let's put it no stronger than that now. At the moment, we have a UK Government and a particular Secretary of State who has expressed an interest in some of these ideas in Michael Gove. I don't know how long he'll last there; I think he's certainly looking to go somewhere else and to do something else in the next year or so, but, while he's there, we have an opportunity. I agree with the general tenor of the report and what the Minister said, that some of this stuff is better done at a UK level because cross-border, working together, working with our partners, I have no problem with that whatsoever. The question is: do we have powers to pursue it if there's a change of environment Minister at UK level or a change of attitude at UK level?

So, the first question must be around a deposit-return scheme, now working with the UK Government on these ideas. Are you clear, Minister, that if the UK Government either drags its feet on this, or drags out a long consultation or gets caught up in Brexit or whatever it might be, that you can still go ahead with a deposit-return scheme in Wales? The report makes it clear you could do that, and it sets out three options for that: a voluntary, industry-led one has been mentioned; tax on all beverage containers, again very much industry led; or some kind of legislation that we could introduce here in Wales. So, can you give an indication of where you might think it may go?

Secondly, of course, we have to look at all kinds of extended producer responsibility plans. We hear from the UK Government sort of headline stuff: straws. We hear from the UK Government about stirrers and this kind of thing. Is there a package there that we can work in? Do you have a sense that there's a package of extended producer responsibility that you can work with? I don't think the UK Government's proposals are actually ambitious enough and I think we can go further here in Wales. One of the things suggested in the report is not only a 25p charge in Welsh Government for coffee cups, but one for consumers in Wales—to introduce a charge like that. Is this something that we could go ahead with whether the UK Government want to do it or not, because I think it's something that could be usefully done in the Welsh context and change people's behaviour, and help the UK Government, if it's so minded, to move along there? I would not like to see some of these good ideas in this report caught up in the wider considerations of where the next UK Government moves, because I think there are things here we can do now, or at least in the next six months or so, and move on to that.

And, of course, in that regard, can I talk about the £0.5 million in the budget agreement, which initially was for a feasibility study on deposit-return schemes? There are ideas in the report about how that money might be used, and I won't enter into a debate about how it might be used across the floor here, but just to say we accept, of course, that the days of a feasibility study as such are passed; we're now into some actions that can be taken and I very much welcome the opportunity to discuss with you and the Government how that might be achieved. One of the things that I still think that we have a real chance to do here as well is a plastics tax, or plastics levy of some sort. Again, this is something that's been taken up at a UK Government level, but, again, just to express my concern that we don't see that, in some ways, watered down. I think you can water down plastics; they certainly turn up in the bottles of water that we buy. There are traces of plastic in every bottle of water now, so it just shows how ridiculous this situation has become. But this plastics tax idea is something that we can own here. If the UK Government again is not keen on pursuing it, let's see that happen.

And, as a final point, we have heard previously from you and the Welsh Government about how you want to work with partners to change the way we use plastics. You talk about a potential for procurement in this regard. Also, Welsh Government funds an awful lot of bodies that undertake an awful lot of activities in Wales. Some of that involves an awful lot of plastic, whether it's a beer festival tent or something similar, or an event or whatever it may be. Can you consider how you use your funding going forward to change behaviour in these events and in these kinds of institutions as well so that the public themselves can see that you're leading the way?