Thanks to the Minister for today's statement. I think we all accept here that there is a big problem of plastic entering the sea, which volunteers who clean up our beaches have been aware of for some time. And now it's become a major national talking point, partly because of the tv programme that you mentioned—the Blue Planet tv series—which demonstrates that, even in today's multi-channel era, a tv programme can still have a major effect in raising public consciousness, although I also appreciate what you state—that the Welsh Government had already commissioned your report prior to the tv programme.

The question, as ever, is how best to tackle this problem of plastic, and it's good that there are some very specific ideas that we are discussing here today. Wales as a Refill nation, is a good objective, but, of course, we have to look at the practicalities. One practical suggestion that seems to be arising is that we move towards a greater provision of public drinking fountains. The proposal seems to me a little bit similar to another idea that we've sometimes discussed here of keeping open more public toilets, which we were discussing at some length during the public health Bill debates last year. The problem may come down largely to cost, because we used to have more public fountains. We used to have a lot more public toilets, but many have fallen into disuse due to the cost of providing them. We know that there is a large ongoing cost to councils of providing these kinds of facilities, so, with the provision of public fountains, would the Welsh Government be providing ongoing funding to councils to help with this kind of service?

A related issue is that fountains would need to be well maintained so that there is a public perception that the fountains are clean and hygienic, otherwise many people simply won't use them. Now, we could, alternatively, have businesses providing water dispensers in their premises. Again, this is kind of connected to the discussions about public toilets, because we have had schemes where pubs and cafes have been given financial assistance for signing up to have registered public toilets—in other words, for allowing people to come in and use the facility even if they aren't buying any food or drink. So, I wonder if this kind of scheme could also be extended to water dispensers and if that's the kind of scheme that may be under consideration as you go forward with your plans for the Refill nation.

You also mention other aspects, such as food packaging, which is another big issue, and I tend to agree with Simon Thomas: lots of people do talk about this, and why do supermarkets put so much packaging around stuff? People don't really want all of the packaging. It takes time to rip it all off and sometimes you end up cutting your hand open. I have similar problems with sachets as David Melding seems to have. Now, most towns have something of a waste issue around late-night fast-food outlets and the associated discarded containers. Well, if we used trading standards rules, we could enforce the use of biodegradable containers, which would be better, so I think the move to biodegradable packaging is a good idea.

But one thing I do wonder whether you would take up is wet wipes, because there is recent evidence that some 93 per cent of fatbergs blocking up the sewage system come from wet wipes being flushed down the toilet. A big problem is that many wet wipes are labelled as flushable. Well, they may flush down the toilet, but many do actually block the sewage pipes, so that is misleading the people who buy these products. So, I wonder if we could do something and use Trading Standards to alter the labelling of bogus so-called flushable wet wipes. Diolch yn fawr.