Part of 2. Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Local Government and Public Services – in the Senedd at 2:31 pm on 9 May 2018.
We were very, very clear in my—[Interruption.] I have here—. I'm going to read—[Interruption.] I'm going to read—[Interruption.] I'm going to read—. I'm going to read the written statement I made in April. Let me say this: what I said then, and what I'll say again this afternoon, is that it is in the interests of neither the Welsh Government nor the people of Wales to see further prison development in Wales until we have a policy, a criminal justice policy, which is agreed with the Ministry of Justice. I am not going to stand here and say that we do not want to see any development of secure accommodation in this country. That is simply not the case. And it would be wrong for me to either say that this afternoon or to make any commitments on that, because what we want to see is the removal of prisons—[Interruption.] Well, perhaps the Member doesn't wish to listen; perhaps that's why she's confused. We do not want to see—[Interruption.] We do not want to see—[Interruption.] We do not want to see people in the old Victorian prisons. We want a development of the prison and the secure estate in Wales. We want to develop specific facilities for female offenders. We want specific facilities for youth offenders. We want to see an investment in rehabilitation. We want to see an investment in community support. We want to see investment in education. We want to see investment in how we rehabilitate young offenders. So, we want to see a great deal of investment in the secure estate in Wales. What we don't want to see are superprisons imposed upon this country without a holistic criminal justice policy that underpins our ambitions and our vision for this area of policy. And I contend that most people would want to see that as well.