5. Debate on the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee report: Apprenticeships in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:57 pm on 9 May 2018.

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Photo of Russell George Russell George Conservative 3:57, 9 May 2018

Thank you, Suzy. I don't think we had that precise evidence in the inquiry, but I think what you said is in line with the committee's thinking as well, and I suppose very much it feeds into our recommendations 6 and 7, which, I was about to go on to say, the Government has accepted, actually, in principle, pending the completion of ongoing consultation. I think I'm accepting of that; I accept that point as a sensible step. But I do trust that any delay will be short and that action will follow swiftly.

Providing parity of support, I think, is important in itself, but it also reinforces the message that both routes are equally important and valid. That message is an important one, as one of our findings was that perceptions of apprenticeships can lag behind the reality in the minds of parents and teachers. As a committee, we felt that there was more that the Welsh Government could do to support employers in raising awareness among a wider range of young people of the benefits of apprenticeships. The Government has rejected this recommendation on the grounds that it already provides extensive information. But I do have to say that's a shame, as it was clear to us that, whatever information is available, it hasn't reached everyone who needs it, and many young people still feel their teachers and parents aren't giving enough support and encouragement to vocational routes.

The Welsh Government's latest figures show a 60/40 gender split among all apprentices, with women in the majority. But, on digging further, there remains a stubborn gender difference in particular sectors. So, the committee recommended that there should be no let-up in the support to tackling the wider prejudices and conventions regarding gender and careers and that the widest opportunity is available to all. I'm pleased that the Welsh Government has accepted this recommendation.

The Welsh Government also accepted our call for more action to be put to the under-representation of disabled people. Written evidence from Remploy highlighted that only 2.7 per cent of learners in work-based learning provision, and 1.3 per cent of apprenticeships in Wales, are disabled. This compares to 9 per cent in England. So, I do look forward to some progress being made in that area.

Both in this inquiry and in our recent review of the apprenticeship levy, there was a growing concern that Wales has fallen behind England in the roll-out of degree apprenticeships. There are around 10,000 degree apprenticeships in England this academic year, compared to none in Wales. So, the committee recommended that the Welsh Government sets a deadline for the teaching of degree apprenticeships, but that has been rejected. The Minister has said that the money is available and that it is up to universities, as autonomous bodies, to determine when they start. But who is at fault is not really of concern to me or the committee; the issue is a growing perception in Wales that Wales is lagging behind. I would urge the Minister for skills and, indeed, the Cabinet Secretary for Education to bring their influence to bear so that Wales picks up the pace when it comes to degree apprenticeships.

Our final recommendation was that Estyn should consider how best to include in its inspections the availability and quality of careers advice on vocational courses and training, including apprenticeships in schools. While Estyn do look at careers advice, it's not often a priority area, and we wanted to move it up the agenda. Schoolteachers—most of them—who themselves followed an academic pathway will naturally think that that route is suitable for other young people. And the funding regime, of course, is also all about retaining young people in a school's own sixth form, because of the positive impact that that has on school funding. So, there's a built-in incentive there to showcase that route.

So, Deputy Presiding Officer, at the very least, I hope that this debate and the publicity around it will encourage young people and the teachers and parents they lean on for advice to look at apprenticeships as a positive life option and the opportunities that they offer. I look forward to the debate this afternoon.