5. Debate on the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee report: Apprenticeships in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:29 pm on 9 May 2018.

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Photo of Hefin David Hefin David Labour 4:29, 9 May 2018

I'll keep my contribution short, given that we're so pressed for time. I wanted to make the case for higher level apprenticeships and the fact that development of degree apprenticeships in Wales is at level 6. I think there are universities that are ready to provide degree-level apprenticeships at Master's level. I think that's a significant way forward that will, certainly from the evidence in England, suggest that degree-level apprenticeships will be taken up in STEM subjects by women who want to study those subjects, as well as amongst learners from areas of traditionally low participation in higher education. Therefore, a Master's progression is quite important.

I'm pleased that the Welsh Government has accepted recommendations 9 and 10 regarding the need for clarity and security when it comes to the funding of degree apprenticeships. But I also think—. I'm concerned about the rejection of recommendation 12, which says that the universities are autonomously responsible for the design and delivery of their courses, but I would like an opportunity to scrutinise, in this Chamber or in committee, the roll-out of degree apprenticeships across Wales. I fear that if it is just left only to universities, they will do a good job, but the democratic accountability may well be missing. So, I think that's quite important.

I'd also like to pick up on a point made by Siân Gwenllian. I spoke to my predecessor yesterday, Jeff Cuthbert, my predecessor as an Assembly Member for Caerphilly—I'd say to the Chamber I've no plans to ever become a police and crime commissioner, but he is currently the police and crime commissioner for my region—and he raised that concern about the £2.8 million in apprenticeship levy that goes to the UK and the police service is unable to draw on it. It's a massively significant issue that doesn't happen in England and it is a controversial one. It is bizarre that the Treasury then expects the Welsh Government to fund vocational training in the police force and, therefore, I would urge the Minister and the Government to raise this with their counterparts in the UK. And, with that, I think I will draw my comments short, perhaps to give someone else the time to contribute.