5. Debate on the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee report: Apprenticeships in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:43 pm on 9 May 2018.

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Photo of Baroness Mair Eluned Morgan Baroness Mair Eluned Morgan Labour 4:43, 9 May 2018

Our work in Wales and apprenticeship programmes, you will be aware I'm sure, are trying to reshape the skills landscape in order, as Mohammad Asghar set out, to change the fact that we need to meet the challenges of the new economy. Members will be aware that it is one of our flagship programmes in the Welsh Government. We've got a target of 100,000 high-quality new apprenticeships, and that's aimed at generating growth and investment. I'm delighted to report that we are hitting that target; we're on target to meet that projection. 

We are seeing a growth in the number of apprenticeships here in Wales, whilst seeing what's happened in England because of the introduction of the apprenticeship levy—a levy that was introduced with no consultation with the Welsh Government at all. What we've seen there is a drop of 40 per cent in apprenticeship numbers, according to the Reform think tank in England. So, we're doing much better than they're doing in England, but let me make it clear that we're not just interested in numbers, and I think this is the mistake that England has made. 

We won't dilute and demote that apprenticeship brand here in Wales, because what you've got in England are baristas serving coffee who've been given apprenticeships, or people being given the title of an apprentice when they're paid extremely low wages with the prospect that, if they're lucky, they might get a job in the gig economy. That's not the kind of thing that we are aspiring to here in Wales. So, our interest is in modernising the apprenticeships to meet the changing needs of the economy and raising the quality and relevance of apprenticeships.