There's a whole host of reasons why we are not going to follow the English example. A 40 per cent drop is one of the reasons, but also we're absolutely focused on quality so I'm not going to take any lessons from England on this.

I think that one of the biggest challenges facing us in Wales today is in-work poverty, and the fact is that 40 per cent of the people who use food banks in Wales are in work. So, the problem that many people face, particularly those with low qualifications, is that low-paid work is not providing a stepping stone to those higher paid jobs and people are being trapped in low pay.

Dawn, I'm very aware of the fact that there are lots of issues in relation to low pay around this area. We in the Welsh Government are keeping a very close eye on compliance in relation to the minimum wage, and I think it's a good point that you make that we should make sure that the fair work commission addresses this issue, and I'll make a commitment to write to the fair work commission to address this issue once it's established. 

We think, as a Government, that it's our responsibility to help people to break out of that cycle of low skills and low pay and to support people into higher level apprenticeships and to help people onto that ladder of opportunity. What we know is that the challenges of the future will be different from those of the past, and I'd like to agree wholeheartedly with Jack Sargeant when he says that what we need is a different response in an age of new technology and automation that's going to change the nature of the workplace. And that's why we are focused on expanding the number of higher level apprenticeships and why we've got this situation now where we've convened an expert panel to look at how automation and digital will impact on the economy in future. But I take the point—and I'm not happy with the point—that, at the moment, as Vikki Howells has suggested, we haven't reached a stage where we do have parity of esteem between academic and vocational qualifications. I think it's really important that we keep our focus on that.

There is a UK Government review in terms of post-18 education, and we will await the report of that expert panel. And at that point I think it's important that we do then review in particular the hardship fund that we are interested in looking at and the discounted travel for young people. So, those things are absolutely firmly on our agenda.

Our goal is to double the number of higher apprenticeships with a focus on STEM and to create that new generation of professionals who are going to drive innovative practice, create new products and raise productivity levels. I think that Joyce is absolutely right: there's a lot we've done already in relation to raising awareness. Civil engineers, they're doing a great job going into schools, as she's suggested. But I think that probably Vikki has a point that we could do more in relation to teaching the teachers about apprenticeships. 

We've also developed these new routes to apprenticeships through introducing these degree apprenticeships, from this September. As you've heard, we're working with the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales to develop those degree apprenticeships. We want to get this right, so we're not chasing numbers and we're not chasing date targets. I actually think that it's probably too early for us to look at a Master's at this level. Let's get the degree apprenticeships right before we go on to Master's.

Let me be clear in relation to apprenticeships also that we are committed to driving inclusivity, equality and diversity. And, on the issue of gender parity, we've instructed apprenticeship providers to give extra support and mentoring to tackle gender stereotyping, for example, through encouraging more women to enter the construction profession. We've also been working with the Equality and Human Rights Commission to promote—