Well, can I say that no member of staff will be forced to move to the independent sector. It's hugely important to make that point. Secondly, my understanding is that patient representatives, trade unions and human resources representatives have been invited to participate throughout the process of developing renal services in the north of Wales. No decision has been made as to the final service model. However, he has read directly from a letter, and I feel that I need to look at that letter to give the assurance to those people who've written that letter that this matter is being looked at, and I give him that assurance.